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- From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
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- Subject: Re: [Homestead] Serious issues
- Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:16:30 -0800 (PST)
Okay, I'm following so far. Let's say you have children , most people do..
They grow up, want to follow in your footsteps. They need, each, a piece of
land with the equivalewnt resoureces of you so that they, in turn can provide
for themselves and 'their' children, who will also, one day, need apiece of
land, etc, etc. Isn't that growth?
I'm not argiuing , but your asking me to re-think everything I know about
capitalism. 'grow or die' .....bobford
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--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:
> From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Serious issues
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 7:47 PM
> > >But (classic)capitalism 'requires' growth,
> does it not?
>
> A common misconception, but, no, it doesn't. Interest
> income requires
> growth, but that's the only aspect of our present form
> of capitalism that does.
> Unfortunately we've come to the point that most
> capitalistic income in this
> country (and much of Europe, and all of Iceland) was from
> interest and not from the
> delivery of any tangible goods or services.
>
> Originally "capital" meant mainly land, tools,
> materials, and tangible
> resources. You could even include intellectual property in
> that. It has evolved to
> mean cash and human labor. I, for example, own my own
> tools, my own shop, my
> own resources (trees), and I purchase the rest (steel pins,
> wire, bronze rod,
> etc) straight out, that is, I do not make a separate profit
> on those items
> when they are resold as part of the finished product. I do
> not need to grow and
> I certainly have no desire whatever to grow.
>
> The key to that is I materially participate in my business.
> Or as Franklin
> has it in Poor Richard's:
>
> "He who by the plow would thrive
> Himself must either lead or drive."
>
> In no-growth capitalism, one cannot sit on one's butt
> and wait for interest
> income to come rolling in. There's no lure to get in
> on the ground level of
> something unless you are personally willing and able to
> build all the other
> levels yourself. There is no economic advantage in
> population growth nor massive
> immigration. There is a huge economic dis-incentive to
> depelete or damage
> resources.
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Clansgian, 11/09/2008
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Clansgian, 11/09/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Serious issues, bob ford, 11/09/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Gene GeRue, 11/09/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
EarthNSky, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Gene GeRue, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
EarthNSky, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Gene GeRue, 11/10/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Serious issues, EarthNSky, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Gene GeRue, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
EarthNSky, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Gene GeRue, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
EarthNSky, 11/10/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Serious issues,
Clansgian, 11/09/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Serious issues, bob ford, 11/09/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Serious issues, Clansgian, 11/10/2008
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