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[Akka Homestead <akkabhomestead AT yahoo.com>]

SJC wrote:
 Maine is almost like 2 states, and in fact folks 
> from the county are apt to say about someone from, say Augusta (roughly 
> central) is "from Maine" and to tell a newcomer that they themselves 
> live in "the other Maine".....so quite a schism there, but in politics 
> not so much.  I read in Bangor paper a couple of years ago that 10% of 
> Democrats in the state and 50% of Republicans had change their party 
> affiliation to Independent or Green, so that's a lot of discontent.  The 
> Republican Party has been in hot water here since the Reagan era and the 
> whole Bush thing has pushed it over the edge.

Georgia is like multiple states as well.  It is the largest state east of the 
Mississippi and the north part has more of a Appalachian loner,self 
sufficency mindset whereas the Southern coastal plain has a tendancy to be 
more like someplace like Iowa or Nebraska..large farming communities..hard 
workers all.  In the middle, you have the cities, Atlanta, Macon, and 
Savannah  along with Columbus, Albany, and Athens. The large cities tend to 
attract minorities, the wealthy, and those highly educated.  They are also 
mostly Blue counties.  They make up most of the state's population.  The 
Atlanta metro area is about 5.6 million people now and the entire state has 
close to 9.8 million...by the time you account for the states other cities, 
those of us in in the boonies are definitely the minority.  Those living 
outside of the cities are mostly white, middle class or poor...Joe Sixpack, 
as Sarah calls them. Rural blacks and other minorities vote not with
 their urban brethren, but with their white neighbors.  

I am glad to hear that people are discontented enough to change parties.  
That is what we need.  That is the hope I alluded to in my post to Gene.  I 
think we may be at a tipping point to where people are finally fed up enough 
to act.  It may be small acts at first, but they are making a statement.  We 
need more of that.  

With Obama on the ticket, I believe that Georgia's days as a red state are 
history. Here's why. On the news and in one instance in my real life 
contacts, I see blacks stating they will vote for Obama.  I think it is 
reasonable on emotional grounds that they want to support Obama in this 
historic election.  I wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman, 
that's just me, but I do understand that it is human nature to vote for 
whomever you feel is a kindred spirit.  But, it is a rare thing for me to 
hear a black person say they will vote for McCain, and this is a state that 
has voted Republican in recent years.  So if half of Georgia is in Atlanta(GA 
overall is 30% black), and the metro area is about 62% black, then if voter 
turnout is high, Georgia will soon be a Blue state, because the Blue counties 
carry the weight.  If by some miracle McCain pulls Georgia, it will be 
because Obama failed to motivate the black vote on that Tuesday.  And that's
 just the the black side of the racial aspect.  Of the thousands of whites in 
the state, I'd say it's about a 50/50 split on McCain or Obama.  The state 
also has a lot of Hispanics, and while the Hispanics I know aren't fond of 
blacks in general, they certainly are not fond of McCain's immigration 
policies either.  My guess is that if they vote, they will vote Obama.
I was looking up a a stat for this and found this story...basically Obama has 
said the same thing I am saying.  He is predicting a big change, too.  
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/07/16/obama_predicts_black_voter_increase_southern_wins/

> 
> I think the general truth is that many folks here are disgusted with the 
> whole lot of politicians, period.  There are precious few who are 
> willing to stand up and do the right thing, regardless of whence they come.

Yes, I think the whole of America feels this way.



> Now I'm gonna get my knitting and watch The Chick and The Drone.
> 
> Susan Jane, soaked

LOL, hope the winds dry you out soon.  Thanks for giving me the skinny on 
Maine.  I've always been fascinated by Maine.  You have moose up there, no? 

Akka B



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He does look dorky, doesn't he.  Ironically, if you knew him, he doesn't have 
dorkiness in person.  He thinks he is God's gift to women. ...very stuck on 
himself.
Actually, Cynthia McKinney is the Green candidate and Nader is listing 
himself as Independent.  Here's the list:

2008 Independent candidates:
Constitution: Chuck Baldwin 
Libertarian: Bob Barr   (former US Rep., R-GA)
Green: Cynthia McKinney (former US Rep., D-GA)
AIP: Alan Keyes      (American Independent Party)
PSL: Gloria La Riva      (Party for Socialism & Liberation)
NAIP: Frank McEnulty      (New American Independent Party)
Socialist: Brian Moore 
Independent: Ralph Nader  

For those of you who have knowledge of socialism, it would be cool if someone 
would compare and contrast Obama, who allegedly has socialist policies, and 
Brian Moore, the Socialist candidate and Gloria La Riva, the Party for 
Socialism and Liberation.  I think Obama thinks of himself as a 
Constitutionalist, so that might be an interesting comparison, too.


Akka

Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
>>> If ever there was a time to organize the disenfranchised rabble, this is 
>> it. Why aren't the third party candidates out whipping up the masses?
> 
> Because we Libertarians are running that uber-dork Bob Barr and aren't you 
> Greens running that perennial loser Nader??   </HTML>




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On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> 
wrote:
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> If ever there was a time to organize the disenfranchised rabble, this is
> it. Why aren't the third party candidates out whipping up the masses?
>
Well.......... there's a couple of things. You don't gin up a third
(or fourth or fifth) party during a presidential election year. You
start out with small groups and build on that, usually for several
years. You get your people elected to Congress. No president could run
the country without his or her people in the legislature.

And, another thing, you will never get a third party candidate elected
until you have proportional, aka instant runoff, voting. Until that
happens, voting for a third party candidate pretty much assures that
you will effectively elect one of the two major candidates. The
Founders saw the danger of political parties but, smart as they were,
they put a government into place that ensure a two-party system.

Of course, that's why we can amend the Constitution. And, of course,
making that change will be hard because it immediately threatens
incumbents.

If you could vote for Your Perfect Candidate with either the R or D as
the second choice with the assurance that if your guy got only 4
percent of the vote your vote would go to your second choice, wouldn't
you, not to mention a huge number of your fellow Americans, be a lot
more likely to vote for your first choice?

It ain't rocket science, but getting there will be incredibly hard work.

Marie