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[Akka Homestead <akkabhomestead AT yahoo.com>]

One more post and I am off to bed..
I have noticed that over the last two weeks, all the polls on the CNN home 
page-the quick votes-show Obama winning by wide margins..
the poll I just did was "who fared better in the first debate"
The results:
McCain    27%
Obama    67%
Neither    6%

I guess they saw a different debate than I did, but whatever.  Regardless of 
the poll question, this has been indicative of the spread.
If this is a trend or is accurate, the Obama will win this race by a 
landslide.

Akka



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James,

Sure. Of course. Frequency and quantity are very significant factors
when it comes to what we eat. I am for, and use treats as well. I can't
imagine saying "No Thanks" to one of Akka's or Celia's fried pies.  I
also agree moderation in moderation is wise. Still I think it is helpful
to understand that highly heated oils, refined or not, and even whole
grain breads baked at 350-400 degrees produce substances that are toxic
and can eventually lead to any number of ailments.  I think it is good
information to know, especially when all manner of unexplained aches and
pains come out as one ages. When one is young, damages are unlikely to
show.  Did I worry about "too much sun" when I worked as a carpenter and
painter? Not a whit. After age 65 things changed a bit. Now I wear long
sleeve shirts outside in the summer after having two squamous-cell
carcinoma's removed from my arms.  Many such maladies do not manifest
until later years.

It goes without saying there are great differences among persons,. and
even those with similar metabolism and genes live very different
life-styles.  Someone who gets adequate sleep and exercise as a
homesteader can indeed get by pigging out occasionally on even the most
poisonous of fare. There are no iron-clad rules applicable to every
person at all times. I also know of many a farmer here-abouts dropping
at an early age, overweight and red-face from the typical southern diet
of pork, beef steak, potatoes and grits.

There are some unrefined oils much better than others and some unrefined
carbohydrates less glycemic than others.  None, we now learn, that
withstand high temperatures without producing toxic by-products. A
day-in, day-out, high carbohydrate diet of any kind, not just refined,
can lead to an over-abundance of insulin production with many effects
other than diabetes.  Someone behind a horse, plowing the field is most
likely to work it all off.  I can understand how you might well not have
a pot belly, are well-muscled, rudy-cheeked and healthy.  Someone in
town might eat as you do, and weigh 400 pounds. If you had eaten only
2500 calories a day, you'd probably be skinny as a rail.  No mystery here.

No carbs, no oils? Deadly and ridiculous for anyone, let alone a
homesteader.  Again, of course not,  if you think this is what I am
suggesting.

Last week I went to a restaurant (the first time in over a year) with
some friends and ate several plates filled with 'everything' from the
buffet table, enjoying it immensely .... with no regrets.  Like I say, I
enjoy ice cream, but now that I know I have high triglycerides and am
suffering the effects, I chose now to cut my intake well back.  Doesn't
mean I will never again eat ice cream, or am a milk-toast type.  You
could have some stereotypes in mind which are not me.   jerry b

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Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
>>> Genes, virus, bacteria?  More likely fried pies. The oils and refined
>>>
>> carbohydrates and the resultant poisons produced by high heat are known
>> to limit and change immune systems, even telomeres and genes.
>>
>
> I know, Jerry, you are refering to refined carbs and oils.  Two things about
> this.  First, no one eats fried pies as  a regular part of their diet, not 
> if
> they have to prepare and fry them themselves.  It's a treat.  I often read 
> the
> diet advice of how bad this to that meal in a restaurant is and how you can
> choose healthier fare.  What?  Like you eat in a sit down restaurant twenty
> times a week?   It's so rare that I get to eat like that, I'll eat anything 
> I
> want.
>
> As far as limiting carbs and oils (and again, I know you are referring to
> *refined* products, which we almost never use), anyone who thinks they can
> homestead on a subsistence farm on a diet without carbs and oils, I'd like 
> to invite
> them here for a week to try to do so.  The elimination of oils and carbs and
> fried foods is for the milk-toast type, a two-fisted luddite homesteader 
> could
> not suvive on such a diet.   </HTML>
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