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OK   Cynicism showing here.

Every governmental system has its rich, and its poor.   A socialist 
system will not change that.   One difference, perhaps chief, is that 
in a capitalist system, people can move up and down the economic scale. 
 Not so, socialism.

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism



I usually don't write in, but just read what others write.  I will, 
however, put
forth my ideas about socialism.  I think that people do better under 
socialism
because you usually don't have a few people with most of the money or 
whatever
and the rest of the people with very little as is the case with this 
country. 
That being said, I also think that people loose something if they don't 
have the
opportunity to rise above their fellows.  So, I thnk socialism is a 
better
system, but I also don't think it will work.

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 10:19 PM

'socialism, or any other planned economy, always leads to
totalitarianism' t his is a paraphrase of a Hayek quotation
 
 “The Road to Serfdom” by Friedrich von Hayek
 
http://brneurosci.
org/reviews/hayek.html
 

 
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"....history had repeatedly confirmed: The effort to transform natural
inequalities into social equality could only lead to greater, more 
brutal
inequality; the socialist effort to transform individual diversity into 
social
unity could only lead to the totalitarian state.
 
Deutscher was wrong. There would never be a socialist political 
democracy
erected on a socialist economic base. Socialism was an impossible -- and
therefore destructive -- dream. "
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=FA1FF2FE-7BB6-40E6-9A30-CA0506D9752E
 
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a cartoon booklet from my childhood
 
http://www.mises.org/books/TRTS/
 




----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob,
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a 
trend toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.or
g
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing. 
>
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree. 
>
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
>
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
>
>
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the 
> presidential campaign of 2008.
>
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many 
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life 
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system, 
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My 
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live i
n the Toronto
> area. I get 
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but 
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans 
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We 
> can do better.
>
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism 
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big 
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates 
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how 
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is 
> in fact a win-win deal.
>
>
>      
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----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21,202008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob,
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a 
trend toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing. 
>
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree. 
>
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
>
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
>
>
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the

> presidential campaign of 2008.
>
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many 
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life 
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system, 
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My 
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get 
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but 
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans 
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We 
> can do better.
>
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism 
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big 
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates 
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how 
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is 
> in fact a win-win deal.
>
>
>      
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