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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Bill, you have a great understanding of Socialism..  There are many reasons 
that it doesn't work, but as you have concluded, the fact remains it doesn't. 
 And, it will always, as it's on function, eventually lead to ceratin levels 
of oppression and tyranny.  
 
In very homogeneous societies, in ,you can institute socialistic programs 
that will work until the population begins to decline or populations of 
immigrants increase.  But, even , at it's best, what does it get you.  Real 
quick, without using Google, other than pocketknives, and watches; what do 
the Swiss produce?
 
France is starting to unravel, as is a lot of Europe, because of the two 
conditions I mentioned above.  We have evolutionary requirements that we must 
try to obtain and protect territory.  Fighting nature only relieves some of 
our more base urges. The primitive inside is our maker.
 
Hell, if socialism did work, I'd go to the sword store today; buy two, and 
beat both of them into plowshares ........bobford



----- Original Message ----
From: william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

I usually don't write in, but just read what others write.  I will, however, 
put forth my ideas about socialism.  I think that people do better under 
socialism because you usually don't have a few people with most of the money 
or whatever and the rest of the people with very little as is the case with 
this country.  That being said, I also think that people loose something if 
they don't have the opportunity to rise above their fellows.  So, I thnk 
socialism is a better system, but I also don't think it will work.

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 10:19 PM

'socialism, or any other planned economy, always leads to
totalitarianism' t his is a paraphrase of a Hayek quotation
 
 “The Road to Serfdom” by Friedrich von Hayek
 
http://brneurosci.org/reviews/hayek.html
 

 
.........................................................................................................................................................................
 
"....history had repeatedly confirmed: The effort to transform natural
inequalities into social equality could only lead to greater, more brutal
inequality; the socialist effort to transform individual diversity into social
unity could only lead to the totalitarian state. 
 
Deutscher was wrong. There would never be a socialist political democracy
erected on a socialist economic base. Socialism was an impossible -- and
therefore destructive -- dream. "
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=FA1FF2FE-7BB6-40E6-9A30-CA0506D9752E
 
......................................................................................................................................................................
 
a cartoon booklet from my childhood
 
http://www.mises.org/books/TRTS/
 




----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob, 
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a trend 
toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing.  
> 
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree.  
> 
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
> 
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the  
> presidential campaign of 2008.
> 
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many  
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life  
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system,  
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My  
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get  
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but  
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans  
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We  
> can do better.
> 
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism  
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big  
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates  
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how  
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is  
> in fact a win-win deal.
> 
> 
>      
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----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob, 
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a trend 
toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing.  
> 
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree.  
> 
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
> 
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the  
> presidential campaign of 2008.
> 
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many  
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life  
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system,  
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My  
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get  
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but  
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans  
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We  
> can do better.
> 
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism  
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big  
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates  
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how  
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is  
> in fact a win-win deal.
> 
> 
>      
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