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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

'socialism, or any other planned economy, always leads to totalitarianism' t 
his is a paraphrase of a Hayek quotation
 
 “The Road to Serfdom” by Friedrich von Hayek
 
http://brneurosci.org/reviews/hayek.html
 

 
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"....history had repeatedly confirmed: The effort to transform natural 
inequalities into social equality could only lead to greater, more brutal 
inequality; the socialist effort to transform individual diversity into 
social unity could only lead to the totalitarian state. 
 
Deutscher was wrong. There would never be a socialist political democracy 
erected on a socialist economic base. Socialism was an impossible -- and 
therefore destructive -- dream. "
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=FA1FF2FE-7BB6-40E6-9A30-CA0506D9752E
 
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a cartoon booklet from my childhood
 
http://www.mises.org/books/TRTS/
 




----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob, 
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a trend 
toward totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing.  
> 
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree.  
> 
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
> 
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the  
> presidential campaign of 2008.
> 
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many  
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life  
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system,  
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My  
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get  
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but  
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans  
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We  
> can do better.
> 
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism  
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big  
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates  
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how  
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is  
> in fact a win-win deal.
> 
> 
>      
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----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob, 
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a trend 
toward totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing.  
> 
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree.  
> 
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
> 
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the  
> presidential campaign of 2008.
> 
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many  
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life  
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system,  
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My  
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get  
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but  
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans  
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We  
> can do better.
> 
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism  
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big  
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates  
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how  
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is  
> in fact a win-win deal.
> 
> 
>      
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