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[william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>]

I usually don't write in, but just read what others write.  I will, however, 
put forth my ideas about socialism.  I think that people do better under 
socialism because you usually don't have a few people with most of the money 
or whatever and the rest of the people with very little as is the case with 
this country.  That being said, I also think that people loose something if 
they don't have the opportunity to rise above their fellows.  So, I thnk 
socialism is a better system, but I also don't think it will work.

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 10:19 PM

'socialism, or any other planned economy, always leads to
totalitarianism' t his is a paraphrase of a Hayek quotation
 
 “The Road to Serfdom” by Friedrich von Hayek
 
http://brneurosci.org/reviews/hayek.html
 

 
.........................................................................................................................................................................
 
"....history had repeatedly confirmed: The effort to transform natural
inequalities into social equality could only lead to greater, more brutal
inequality; the socialist effort to transform individual diversity into social
unity could only lead to the totalitarian state. 
 
Deutscher was wrong. There would never be a socialist political democracy
erected on a socialist economic base. Socialism was an impossible -- and
therefore destructive -- dream. "
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=FA1FF2FE-7BB6-40E6-9A30-CA0506D9752E
 
......................................................................................................................................................................
 
a cartoon booklet from my childhood
 
http://www.mises.org/books/TRTS/
 




----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob, 
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a trend 
toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing.  
> 
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree.  
> 
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
> 
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the  
> presidential campaign of 2008.
> 
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many  
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life  
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system,  
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My  
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get  
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but  
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans  
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We  
> can do better.
> 
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism  
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big  
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates  
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how  
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is  
> in fact a win-win deal.
> 
> 
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----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob, 
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a trend 
toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
> for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
> Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
> disappearing.  
> 
> Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
> television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
> decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
> illegal to discuss, by government decree.  
> 
> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
> protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
> make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
> want to wait for things like heart surgery .
> 
> I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
> their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
> to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
> brains fall out <G> ....bobf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
> aspect of the  
> presidential campaign of 2008.
> 
> One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
> many  
> European countries have superior stats on various
> quality-of-life  
> factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
> system,  
> regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
> minions. My  
> stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
> area. I get  
> facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
> than ours but  
> they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
> Americans  
> going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
> operations. We  
> can do better.
> 
> I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
> that socialism  
> is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
> for big  
> business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
> Bill Gates  
> is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
> about how  
> business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
> that it is  
> in fact a win-win deal.
> 
> 
>      
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Maybe I don't know enough about Ron Paul, but from what I get, he wants to 
get the government out of everything.  That's how we got into the mess we are 
in is by keeping the government out and letting the market take care of 
things.  It is odd that all of those who, since Regan have been hollering to 
get government out of the market, now want the government to bail them out.

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:

From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Obama finally speaks on wall st. debacle
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Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:03 PM

On Sep 23, 2008, at 1:50 PM, bob ford wrote:

> Ron Paul may not have a chance, but he is definitely the only true  
> intellectual in this race .  He is also the only candidate who shows  
> no fear when it comes to speaking the truth  ................bobford

Do you believe the majority of American voters want the truth? Can  
handle the truth? Recognize it if it is presented to them? Respond to  
it in a positive way?

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“I share the outrage … There’s a lot of blame to go around.” the  
Treasury secretary said.

No, sir, outrage is pathetic; the right word is responsibility. You  
have had access to vast economic information that you either ignored  
or misread.