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  • From: rayzentz AT aim.com
  • To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
  • Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:03:57 -0400

OK. My friend calls it a Stogie, I call it a Cigar.

Either way, it's still made out of tobacco.


-----Original Message-----
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism



Although every thing you said is correct, I've come to dislike considering
myself a capitalist.  For years, in this country, the government has had too
much involvement with the markets.  The bankers have played the part of pimps,
and at least a plurality of our politicians have joined their stables of working
women.  That produces an artificial market scenario.
 
I prefer "free-market" rather than "capitalism".  Just a person preference
........bobford



----- Original Message ----
From: "rayzentz AT aim.com" <rayzentz AT aim.com>
To: wce1482 AT yahoo.com; homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:50:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

OK  Cynicism showing here.

Every governmental system has its rich, and its poor.  A socialist
system will not change that.  One difference, perhaps chief, is that
in a capitalist system, people can move up and down the economic scale.
  Not so, socialism.

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism


0D
I usually don't write in, but just read what others write.  I will,
however, put
forth my ideas about socialism.  I think that people do better under
socialism
because you usually don't have a few people with most of the money or
whatever
and the rest of the people with very little as is the case with this
country. 
That being said, I also think that people loose something if they don't
have the
opportunity to rise above their fellows.  So, I thnk socialism is a
better
system, but I also don't think it will work.

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 10:19 PM

'socialism, or any other planned economy, always leads to
totalitarianism' t his is a paraphrase of a Hayek quotation
 
 “The Road to Serfdom” by Friedrich von Hayek
 
http://brneurosci.
org/reviews/hayek.html
 

 
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"....history had repeatedly confirmed: The effort to transform natural
inequalities into social equality could only lead to greater, more
brutal
inequality; the socialist effort to transform individual diversity into
social
unity could only lead to the totalitarian state.
 
Deutscher was wrong. There would never be a socialist political
democracy
erected on a socialist economic base. Socialism was an impossible -- and
therefore destructive -- dream. "
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=FA1FF2FE-7BB6-40E6-9A30-CA0506D9752E
 
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a cartoon booklet from my childhood
 
http://www.mises.org/books/TRTS/
 




----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob,
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a
trend toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.or
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Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
Would you be willing to give up your first amendment right
for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
disappearing. 

Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
illegal to discuss, by government decree. 

=0
A> You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
want to wait for things like heart surgery .

I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
brains fall out <G> ....bobf


----- Original Message ----
From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com


I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
aspect of the 
presidential campaign of 2008.

One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
many 
European countries have superior stats on various
quality-of-life 
factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
system, 
regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
minions. My 
stepson and his wife and grandsons live i
n the Toronto
area. I get 
facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, their taxes are higher
than ours but 
they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
Americans 
going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
operations. We 
can do better.

I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
that socialism 
is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
for big=C
2
business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
Bill Gates 
is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
about how 
business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
that it is 
in fact a win-win deal.


     
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----- Original Message ----
From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21,202008 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism

Bob,
It seems that a lot of the things you are talking about point to a
trend toward
totalitarianism,  not necissarily socialism.
Van Dell


--- On Sun, 9/21/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Back to socialism
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 8:33 PM
Would you be willing to
give up your first amendment right
for a cheaper hospital stay?  Even in Countries like
Canada, the degradation of rights have quickly started
disappearing. 

Try getting the Fox news Channel on broadcast
television in Canada.  You can't -- by Government
decree, just as there are historic subjects which are
illegal to discuss, by government decree. 

You can't legally buy a firearm in Canada for the
protection of your family,  Anecdotally, Phoenix hospitals
make very good money off Canadian citizens who don't
want to wait for things like heart surgery .

I'm not going to argue with someone who has made up
their mind that Socialism is a good thing.  It's good
to be open-minded Gene, But not so open-minded that your
brains fall out <G> ....bobf


----- Original Message ----
From: Gene GeRue genegerue AT ruralize.com


I'm still trying to get a handle on this socialism
aspect of the

presidential campaign of 2008.

One of the important conditions I am thinking about is that
many 
European countries have superior stats on various
quality-of-life 
factors. Canada, of course, has a superior health care
system, 
regardless of the BS fed the media by certain political
minions. My 
stepson and his wife and grandsons live in the Toronto
area. I get 
facts, not BS. They tell me, yes, th
eir taxes are higher
than ours but 
they do not want our inferior health care system. Lots of
Americans 
going up there. Lots of Americans going to India for
operations. We 
can do better.

I am thinking that we have been brain washed to believe
that socialism 
is bad because it is perceived by conservatives to be bad
for big 
business. I think big business is overlooking a good thing.
Bill Gates 
is the author of a big article in a recent Time Magazine
about how 
business can do better if it adopts a social care agenda,
that it is 
in fact a win-win deal.


     
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