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["Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>]

What I don't get is how folks *want* to play follow the leader cause, quite 
frankly, most of us, particularly LONG TIME native Californians don't really 
give a dead rat's patooty if others follow what we are doing.  We pass laws 
*in our state* for us.  We don't care if the rest of the world uses BGH or 
doesn't have electric cars or if y'all smoke.  However, we keep getting 
stuck on some of the things we want because the feds keep stepping in and 
saying it effects the rest of the country, so we can't label milk as BGH 
free and we can't mandate more electric cars and so forth and so on.

See, it's all a two-edged sword.

You guys can smoke to your hearts content, juust don't breath the blooming 
stuff in my space <g>

Lynda

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>


> Gene, you really surprise me on this one...for the most part, my initial
> comments were sarcastic and mostly just BS, but I started it, so I will
> see it through...
>
>
> > > I wonder if Obama will change the smoking laws and fight to get rid
> > > of smoking bans...
> >
> > I doubt it. The extreme negative health conditions are long- and
> > well- documented. The social pressure may not be fair, but more and
> > more places are passing laws against smoking in public places. And,
> > most presidents are not so heavy-handed. Congress proposes laws,
> > presidents sign them or veto them.
>
>
> I doubt it, too.
> Okay, I am gonna bite, er, at least nibble here...
> Extreme negative health conditions are long and well documented for
> speeding in an automobile, too, and I'd bet that 90% of people speed on
> a regular basis, at least it would be a higher percentage of people who
> speed than who smoke (~25%).
> It's funny to me that current and past presidents are almost always
> blamed for tougher laws whether they veto or not.  You just don't hear
>   the Senate getting any blame or credit for the laws they pass or the
> justices they approve...no...what you hear is a president's name
> attached to it...like Ronald Reagan and the Brady Bill(not a stellar
> example, I know<g>)...or GHW Bush and Judge Thomas or Clinton and Judge
> Ginsberg, etc....the president ALWAYS get top billing, for better or
> worse, and especially for worse.  Anyway, it almost sounded like you
> were going to be making excuses for the O-man in advance of his
> coronation...lol...who knows though, he might just veto tougher smoking
> legislation...I doubt it, but it would sure make me like the guy a whole
> lot better than if he succumbed to social pressure. (I like anyone who
> will stand up for individual rights-especially against a majority)
>
>
> > > will he, as a smoker, champion the rights of smokers?
> >
> > I believe he is now an ex-smoker.
>
> I think that is wishful thinking on your part, but hey, I could be wrong
> as I haven't read much on his personal life.  I've always had a fondness
> for smokers in my heart, since I was one for so long...he would be THE
> perfect champion for an individual's right to smoke, or toke, or
> whatever. :)  Barack IS the new and improved Marlboro Man...lol..
> I hear the first lady smokes, too...I wonder where...lol...I kind of
> doubt that they make HER stand out on the street in the rain, 20 feet
> from the gate....lol...
> And why is it "okay" for President Clinton to smoke cigars, but not
> really okay for Obama to smoke ciggies?  If he makes it to the Oval
> Office, I wonder where HE will smoke...he could prolly get a few leads
> on hidey-holes from Bill, if they are still talking by then...lol...
>
>
> > > I wonder...And WHY would he not endear himself to the South's
> > > Tobacco World by allowing photos of him smoking a cigarette?
> >
> > He is a role model. Bad message to young blacks? And, I thought we
> > were against pandering.
>
> Young blacks??
> He should be a role model for young males.  Besides, more whites and
> Hispanics smoke than blacks.
>
> > > I guess California and Colorado are more important.
> >
> > What's the connection?
>
> Those two states are seen by other states, at least here, as being
> states with a large population of people who are obsessed-bordering on
> fanatical about health.  I probably should have left out Colorado and
> just included California due to the number of delegates, but I spent
> some time out there and those Rocky Mountaineers are definitely health
> conscious.  I think Californians are just emigrating to other western
> states and bringing their culture with them...lol...
> But no, what I was getting at was that the western states generally
> carry a lot more delegates on the whole than the southern states, and
> they are also more health minded.  All that means is that they are the
> majority view, the moral high ground. We Southerners do still like our
> gravy and biscuits, ya know, and the last time I checked, the southern
> states were near the top of the smoking states.  I mean, the population
> of smokers in California has got to be what, less than 15%, maybe 10 or
> less?  Here, it's almost 1 in 4, maybe 1 in 5.
> I apologize to California...I was thinking about all of this as I typed
> the above...they get about as bad a rap as the South, probably deserved
> in both respects, and I'm surely going to hit a nerve with my words, but
> it is my truth and I am writing it.  There was a time when the US as a
> whole saw itself as the country on moral high ground, now, I think
> California alone has that role, and the rest of the states are just
> subject to play follow the leader...it's true with education, automobile
> emissions, you name it, Liberal California led the way.  This hasn't
> always been a good thing, and still, some of us who live in states that
> are less than perfect resent that, mainly because it hurts our economy
> to play by Californian rules...and it makes us seem less than equal when
> California holds such sway.
>
> So now that I have dug a HUGE hole for myself, I think I will go crawl
> inside it.  :)
>
> Bev
>
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