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[EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>]

I can see you Lynda...you make me smile. :)

Bev

Lynda wrote:
> What I don't get is how folks *want* to play follow the leader cause, quite 
> frankly, most of us, particularly LONG TIME native Californians don't really 
> give a dead rat's patooty if others follow what we are doing.  We pass laws 
> *in our state* for us.  We don't care if the rest of the world uses BGH or 
> doesn't have electric cars or if y'all smoke.  However, we keep getting 
> stuck on some of the things we want because the feds keep stepping in and 
> saying it effects the rest of the country, so we can't label milk as BGH 
> free and we can't mandate more electric cars and so forth and so on.
>
> See, it's all a two-edged sword.
>
> You guys can smoke to your hearts content, juust don't breath the blooming 
> stuff in my space <g>
>
> Lynda
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
>
>
> > Gene, you really surprise me on this one...for the most part, my initial
> > comments were sarcastic and mostly just BS, but I started it, so I will
> > see it through...
> >
> >
> > > > I wonder if Obama will change the smoking laws and fight to get rid
> > > > of smoking bans...
> > > I doubt it. The extreme negative health conditions are long- and
> > > well- documented. The social pressure may not be fair, but more and
> > > more places are passing laws against smoking in public places. And,
> > > most presidents are not so heavy-handed. Congress proposes laws,
> > > presidents sign them or veto them.
> >
> > I doubt it, too.
> > Okay, I am gonna bite, er, at least nibble here...
> > Extreme negative health conditions are long and well documented for
> > speeding in an automobile, too, and I'd bet that 90% of people speed on
> > a regular basis, at least it would be a higher percentage of people who
> > speed than who smoke (~25%).
> > It's funny to me that current and past presidents are almost always
> > blamed for tougher laws whether they veto or not.  You just don't hear
> >   the Senate getting any blame or credit for the laws they pass or the
> > justices they approve...no...what you hear is a president's name
> > attached to it...like Ronald Reagan and the Brady Bill(not a stellar
> > example, I know<g>)...or GHW Bush and Judge Thomas or Clinton and Judge
> > Ginsberg, etc....the president ALWAYS get top billing, for better or
> > worse, and especially for worse.  Anyway, it almost sounded like you
> > were going to be making excuses for the O-man in advance of his
> > coronation...lol...who knows though, he might just veto tougher smoking
> > legislation...I doubt it, but it would sure make me like the guy a whole
> > lot better than if he succumbed to social pressure. (I like anyone who
> > will stand up for individual rights-especially against a majority)
> >
> >
> > > > will he, as a smoker, champion the rights of smokers?
> > > I believe he is now an ex-smoker.
> > I think that is wishful thinking on your part, but hey, I could be wrong
> > as I haven't read much on his personal life.  I've always had a fondness
> > for smokers in my heart, since I was one for so long...he would be THE
> > perfect champion for an individual's right to smoke, or toke, or
> > whatever. :)  Barack IS the new and improved Marlboro Man...lol..
> > I hear the first lady smokes, too...I wonder where...lol...I kind of
> > doubt that they make HER stand out on the street in the rain, 20 feet
> > from the gate....lol...
> > And why is it "okay" for President Clinton to smoke cigars, but not
> > really okay for Obama to smoke ciggies?  If he makes it to the Oval
> > Office, I wonder where HE will smoke...he could prolly get a few leads
> > on hidey-holes from Bill, if they are still talking by then...lol...
> >
> >
> > > > I wonder...And WHY would he not endear himself to the South's
> > > > Tobacco World by allowing photos of him smoking a cigarette?
> > > He is a role model. Bad message to young blacks? And, I thought we
> > > were against pandering.
> > Young blacks??
> > He should be a role model for young males.  Besides, more whites and
> > Hispanics smoke than blacks.
> >
> > > > I guess California and Colorado are more important.
> > > What's the connection?
> > Those two states are seen by other states, at least here, as being
> > states with a large population of people who are obsessed-bordering on
> > fanatical about health.  I probably should have left out Colorado and
> > just included California due to the number of delegates, but I spent
> > some time out there and those Rocky Mountaineers are definitely health
> > conscious.  I think Californians are just emigrating to other western
> > states and bringing their culture with them...lol...
> > But no, what I was getting at was that the western states generally
> > carry a lot more delegates on the whole than the southern states, and
> > they are also more health minded.  All that means is that they are the
> > majority view, the moral high ground. We Southerners do still like our
> > gravy and biscuits, ya know, and the last time I checked, the southern
> > states were near the top of the smoking states.  I mean, the population
> > of smokers in California has got to be what, less than 15%, maybe 10 or
> > less?  Here, it's almost 1 in 4, maybe 1 in 5.
> > I apologize to California...I was thinking about all of this as I typed
> > the above...they get about as bad a rap as the South, probably deserved
> > in both respects, and I'm surely going to hit a nerve with my words, but
> > it is my truth and I am writing it.  There was a time when the US as a
> > whole saw itself as the country on moral high ground, now, I think
> > California alone has that role, and the rest of the states are just
> > subject to play follow the leader...it's true with education, automobile
> > emissions, you name it, Liberal California led the way.  This hasn't
> > always been a good thing, and still, some of us who live in states that
> > are less than perfect resent that, mainly because it hurts our economy
> > to play by Californian rules...and it makes us seem less than equal when
> > California holds such sway.
> >
> > So now that I have dug a HUGE hole for myself, I think I will go crawl
> > inside it.  :)
> >
> > Bev
> >
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