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  • From: Richard Best <richard AT besthancock.com>
  • To: Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion <cc-nz AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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  • Subject: Re: [Cc-nz] Time to retire ND and NC
  • Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:17:06 +1200

I agree with Jonathan. NC and ND variants serve useful purposes for a range
of copyright owners. They can also be deployed in conjunction with CC+.
Removing them would be counter-productive.

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On 30/08/2012, at 8:35 PM, Jonathan Hunt <cc_aotearoa AT huntdesign.co.nz> wrote:

>> From: Danyl Strype <strypey AT disintermedia.net.nz> wrote:
>
>> Kia ora koutou
>>
>> I just read an article published by Students for Free Culture in the
>> USA, advocating for the retirement of the No-Derivatives, and
>> Non-Commercial clauses from the CC license suite:
>> http://freeculture.org/blog/2012/08/27/stop-the-inclusion-of-proprietary-licenses-in-creative-commons-4-0/
>
> (snipped)
>
>> The ND and NC licenses have contributed to a robust global discussion
>> around how copyright can work for everyone in the digital era, and
>> what "free culture" and "free license" really means. They have been a
>> safe paddling pool for people who want to dip their toe into a more
>> open approach to licensing, particularly for institutions who have
>> risk and change aversion written into their legal DNA. However I agree
>> with SFC, NC and ND have done their job, and it's time to put them out
>> to pasture.
>>
>> Keen to hear others' thoughts on these issues.
>
> Thank you for raising this topic Danyl.
>
> I'd be very disappointed in seeing these license options removed. While I'm
> sympathetic to free culture, there are valid use cases for NC or ND in the
> spectrum of licensing that CC offers.
>
> A major benefit of CC is the spectrum of license choices that allows one to
> offer content under standardised licenses with more nuances than All Rights
> Reserved.
>
> I am a member of, and developer for, the New Zealand Alpine Club. One of
> our recent projects is a collaborative database of climbing data:
> http://climbnz.org.nz
> The site content (over 7,000 routes) has been added by volunteers based on
> previous publications or personal notes, and is licensed as BY-SA-NC.
>
> BY to ensure attribution and a link back to the source.
> SA to encourage sharing of the data around the climbing community.
> NC so that no-one can capture monetary value from the data without
> consulting with NZAC.
>
> The NZAC is not adverse to people making money on publishing climbing
> guides but in this case NC was needed to encourage contributions from
> people who might otherwise try and publish their material under their own
> name in their own guide, and who don't want to see someone else making
> money out of the content they have contributed. This way they know that
> commercial use of the data will only occur with via agreement with NZAC who
> will aim for arrangements that will benefit the wider climbing community.
>
> If NC was unavailable, and the data was only available under BY-SA, it
> might discourage such contributors. Without NC, the NZAC might reconsider
> offering the data under CC and instead define a unique license to suit
> their situation; that would be a loss to the commons.
>
> It has nothing to do with "dipping toes" and more to do with having
> standardised options to portray a range of rights. Removing options would
> make CC less useful, IMHO.
>
> Regards
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan Hunt
> http://huntdesign.co.nz
> +64 21 529 250
> PO Box 1062, Christchurch 8140, New Zealand
>
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