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- From: Evan Prodromou <evan AT prodromou.name>
- To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion
- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:44:02 -0400
On Wed, 2006-09-08 at 14:21 -0700, Mia Garlick wrote:
# Anti-DRM language - possible parallel distribution language Finally, there has been much discussion - preparatory to releasing these drafts to the public - about whether to amend the CC licenses to include a "parallel distribution" amendment to the existing "anti- DRM" (or more correctly an "anti-TPM" (technological protection measures)) clause of the CC licenses.
I'll quote the original response the Debian CC Workgroup gave on this, to clarify (the original document is at http://people.debian.org/~evan/memoresponse.txt ):
4. Again, our recommendation was unclear. It may be easiest to understand the problem with some examples. Case 1: Alice writes computer program documentation and releases it under a permissive BSD-style license. Moriarty converts the documentation to the NoWrites! (TM) e-book format which prevents copying or modifying the work. Moriarty sells the work on his Web site. Charlie buys a copy of the book from Moriarty, but because of the DRM technology he's unable to share copies with his friend Diane. We assume that this is the problem that the anti-DRM clause is trying to solve: a hostile re-distributor using technological means to restrict the rights of recipients. However, we posit this counter-example: Case 2: Albert writes an arcade game which includes images, video, music and sound effects licensed under Attribution 2.0. Betty ports the game to the Sony Playstation 2 platform. However, all PS2 games must be approved and signed by Sony in order to function on unmodified consoles, and this process includes mandatory access control. Assuming that this access control is not consistent with the terms of the Attribution 2.0 license agreement, Betty cannot distribute the ported game. This prohibition unacceptably limits Betty's rights under DFSG #1. If licensees can't distribute works in their format of choice, then the works are not compatible with the DFSG and cannot be part of Debian. On a qualitative level, no one benefits from this prohibition. Preventing Betty from distributing the game doesn't help PS2 users in any way; they're unable to play the game otherwise. Theoretically it could pressure Sony to drop the DRM restrictions on the PS2 platform, but that's an improbable result. We don't think the pressure advantage on Sony is worth the loss of functionality and choice for users. Note also that the PS2 is not the only platform where it's impossible to distribute works without rights restriction; several text formats for PDA platforms, for example, have mandatory rights-restrictions, and the upcoming Trusted Computing platform ("Palladium") may fall into this same category. The iPod is a good example of a music platform with mandatory rights restriction. Our recommendation #4 might better have been stated like this: Change the anti-DRM clause to allow the licensee to distribute the work in any format whatsoever, but require the licensee to offer at least one format that doesn't restrict the recipients' exercise of rights. Consider this case: Case 3: Albert writes an arcade game which includes images, video, music and sound effects licensed under Attribution [future version], which allows distribution of works in rights-restricted formats as long as unrestricted versions are offered. Betty ports the game to the Sony Playstation 2 platform. She makes the ported game available for download on her Web site, and also has a link to the unrestricted JPEG, MP3, WAV, etc. formats of the images, music, video, and sound effects. Carlos downloads the game on his PS2 to play it. He can also optionally download the unrestricted files to modify and improve them, or to use them in other projects. This is the parallel-distribution scenario. Betty exercises her right to distribute in format of choice; Carlos gets a version he can play, *and* a version that he can share, modify, and re-use. We see this situation as similar (but not equivalent!) to the distribution of source code and binary versions of programs in the GPL. Anyone can distribute binary versions of GPL-licensed programs, as long as they also offer a modifiable source code version, too. Similarly, the proposed modification to the CCPL's anti-DRM clause would allow distribution of works in any format, as long as a format without rights restriction was available. As an alternate strategy, we suggest that Creative Commons consider dropping the anti-DRM clause altogether.
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[cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Mia Garlick, 08/09/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/09/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Mike Linksvayer, 08/09/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Mike Linksvayer, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Mike Linksvayer, 08/09/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Paul Keller, 08/10/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Mia Garlick, 08/10/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/12/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Mike Linksvayer, 08/13/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Terry Hancock, 08/13/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Greg London, 08/14/2006
- [cc-licenses] CC 3 and Circumvention [Was Re: Version 3.0 - Public Discussion], Rob Myers, 08/14/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Mike Linksvayer, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/13/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/09/2006
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