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  • From: "J.C. DE MARTIN" <demartin AT polito.it>
  • To: cc-europe AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-europe] MoC draft V0.7, two weeks for review
  • Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:45:35 +0200

Dear All,

I am sorry I could only partially attend the Zurich meeting
(which unfortunately started late) and not at all the London one
(due to a mix of short notice and personal matters);
in person it would been more fun and probably more
productive to discuss this complex topic. Sorry for that.

Anyway, we have been saying for years that
it would be useful to have a "CC Europe face"
(or "front door"), and I still fully share that view.

However, I think we can achieve such objective in a
much more lightweight form than currently envisioned,
more IETF than ITU, if you allow me to oversimplify.

If, in fact, we limit ourselves -as mentioned at some point
in person with some you- to establishing:

1. a cc-europe website which could aggregate CC news from
European jurisdictions (volunteer work by all of us) and
host common "CC Europe" statements, documents, etc.
2. a spokesperson (with attached email and phone numbers that
journalists and others could call),

we could achieve a lot (not all, granted) with not much effort.

The spokeperson could be elected yearly by rough consensus,
and will deal with what she/he can on the spot (e.g., interviews),
and otherwise act as a switch to national representatives
(no light task, to be sure).
The spokesperson could also have a vice-spokesperson
in case the load of such (necessarily pro bono) work
became too much to bear.

Some people, I believe, contemplate a CC Europe legal entity
because of potential funding that could go only to a CC Europe entity
(I do not see any other reason for the pain of going legal: am I missing anything?).
I think this is mistaken on two grounds:
1. I am not aware of any funding that could go ONLY to such kind of entity
(as opposed to national institutions).
2. Even if there were such funding, the CC Europe entity would necessarily
be a very weak proponent in any formal grant seeking process,
as it would have not budget, no actual staff, no facilities,
no previous experience ....

In summary: I am afraid that the MoU as currently envisioned -disclaimers notwithstanding-
will lead us, over time and almost against our actual desires, to establish that very third layer
besides CC and CC-national that we all think that would be a bad idea to have around.
Moreover, the more formal the "CC Europe" thing becomes, the more we will lose inordinate
amount of time to discuss the actual workings of the beast....(shudder)....

Therefore I encourage all of you to carefully consider
an alternative more lightweight approach (what I sketched above
is only a tentative draft) - that would also have the added benefit
that, if we wanted, it could be up and running in a week:
isn't it a nice thought? :-)

Best,

juan carlos


John Hendrik Weitzmann wrote:
hi all,

please find attached the latest version of the draft for a Memorandum of
Cooperation for the future work of CC Europe. It is based on the first
draft V0.1, sent over the list on 23rd of March, with the following
contributions to result in this new version:

- changes agreed upon at the CC Europe meeting in London, 28th March
(marked in green)
- minor language corrections made by me afterwards (marked in yellow)
- input from CCi regarding some details (marked in ubuntu orange)

In order to get things going, the people attending the London meeting
decided to ask all other european CC project leads to consider the MoC
as it stands now and propose really important changes within a period of
two weeks. So, please do so until 17th of April, if you think that
something is utterly wrong or unclear in this text. We can then see how
to adress that or maybe explain things better. Pro, Peter, Paul,
Catharina, me and the others attending London are happy to answer
(almost) any question :)

After Friday in two weeks, if no substantial problems arise, I'll assume
that this version is more or less o.k. with everyone and that we can
start the signing process.

I'll then post the final version of the MoC over this list as ODT, PDF
and DOC and everyone interested can print it, sign it and send it to
CCi, who are so nice as to offer to keep track of who signed (and keep
that synchronised to official CC affiliation, which is a key
prerequisite). Hopefully we will have most european project leads aboard
by Torino in June.
(BTW: There's little need to feel obliged in any way to become member to
the MoC. If someone doesn't want to sign, they can still attend meetings
etc. but, for example, they cannot vote on representation or represent
CC Europe themselves)

Take care and see you soon,
John
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