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[Sindi Keesan <keesan AT iamjlamb.com>]

We got the BL1 package from the URL to which the link on the Links start 
page pointed us(the link is outof date),  Excuse typos.  My ISP is 
downloading at 0-500 bytes/sec and theother internet connectionjust times 
out.  And I cannot type well on a laptop.

Tried to get the HD package and both links are broken - page not found.  
Both American and Czech sites. Please post thispackage elsewhere.


SW3.5 download sites. tiscali.de worked well.  jp and gr are dead links
nluug.nl timed out

Did not try theothers.

Noticed that the fivefiles needed for compiling total about 5M instead of 
over 24M as in SW81 ornearly that for SW71.

Tried to download them but gave up.  Will use the CD andeither a file 
transfer cable or four ofthem will fit on floppy andI will try dd to split 
the other one, for fun.  Or rzsplit or split.exe.  CD to other cmoputer 
with CD-ROM drive to thisone without CD-ROM drive.  I wishall programs 
would fit on one floppy disk.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Sindi Keesan wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:
> 
> > Sindi Keesan wrote:
> > >
> > > how much space BL2 with the five files needed for 
> > ? compiling will require (leaving some space to work 
> > > in if that is needed).  
> > 
> > As it says at the BL2 site:
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Adding a C compiler to BasicLinux                                         
> >   
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > This requires a minimum of five packages (which fill 
> > 120mb of HD space).  Most of this space is filled by 
> > the glibc2 library, which is much larger than the old 
> > libc5 library (used in BasicLinux 1.8).                        
> > ------------------------------------------------------                    
> >                                                            
> 
> Hm, this sounds like a good opportunity to put BL1 on a laptop, almost any 
> laptop with enough RAM to run it (8M?).  None of the programs Jim will be 
> compiling are anything he wants to keep as they are just homework.  
> (Things like computing calories in your breakfast for the benefit of 
> people who do not bike to school and are trying to lose weight).  So they 
> don't need to run in BL2.
> 
> Thanks for this suggestion, BEFORE we put BL2 on the computer.
> I sort of doubt he will be accessing the more infrequently used parts of 
> glibc6.  And we actually even have the CD for SW3.5 in a book.
> 
> > In contrast the same packages from Slackware 3.5 (BL1)
> > total only 15mb.  That's an eight-fold difference!
> > glibc2 is a bloated monster (and getting more bloated
> > at every revision).  I'm quite happy going back to the
> > relatively tiny libc5.
> > 
> > > The computer is his second-best, with 24M RAM, 300MB 
> > > hard drive, 486DX75.  
>  
> > With only 24mb RAM, he's going to need a swap partition
> > (say 48mb).  Add to that a smallish DOS partion (say 20mb),
> > base installation (10mb) and the compiling stuff (120mb)
> > and the HD is already 3/4 full.  Keep in mind that the
> > whole 300mb will not be useable.  As soon a you mke2fs,
> > a chunk of space is reserved for inodes.  
> 
> Why is 24M not enough to compile with?  I was doing fine compiling lynx 
> with 32M and BL2.
> 
> DJGPP takes up 30M by itself so I suggested 100M for DOS and 200M for 
> linux.  120+10 = 130 leaving 70M for inodes and his programs which will be 
> little.  
>  
> > Does Jim really have to use glibc2 (libc 6) for his course?
> > Wouldn't the much smaller libc 5 do?
> > 
> > > I suggested 100M for DOS (30M for DGJPP alone) and 200M 
> > > for linux.
> > 
> > If you want that much for DOS, then glibc2 is a non-starter.
> > You really do need that swap.  Except for the smallest jobs, 
> > compiling is very memory hungry.  
> 
> But he is only compiling some very small programs, half a page each at the 
> moment.  Somehow DJGPP made them into 600K programs but gcc did better.
> DOS would include BL2 RAMDISK version.  He could also put any saved source 
> code in DOS since he edits it in DOS with his own editor.  And use DOS to 
> copy over the .tgz files from another computer that has a CD-ROM drive so 
> he can install to the linux partition.  
> 
> It sounds like we might have room for both BL1 and BL2.  25MB BL1 and 
> 130MB BL2 with compilers, leaving 45M for inodes and other things.  
> But it is probably best to use only one of these.
> 
> Swap space could be carved out of the DOS partition later if needed.  His 
> programs compiled using 32M RAM in only a few seconds.
> 
> We discovered that PI cannot be used in DOS source code unless you do not 
> define it.  It is a constant for DJGPP.  It works fine as Pi, and PI is 
> okay with gcc and Windows compiler.  Also DJGPP will not ignore an extra ( 
> and the other programs will do so.  
>  
> > Cheers,
> > Steven
> > 
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