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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph)
- From: Jerry Shepherd <jshepherd53 AT gmail.com>
- To: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
- Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph)
- Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:35:06 -0600
Hi Karl,
Okay, now I can go back and provide responses to your responses to my numbers (1) to (4).
(1) You asked, "How much editorial activity? What evidence do you have that the MT consonantal text, apart from relatively few copyist errors, doesn’t represent an older text form?"
Actually, I have you to thank for giving me the answer to this question. In your reply to Ruth you referenced an article on the SBL Forum site by William Griffin about your preference for an unpointed text. Notice this paragraph:
"'Biblical Hebrew' is the name applied to the language(s) contained in a collection of texts that were written over a period of about a thousand years, spanning the second and first millennia B.C.E., by people in diverse regions and settings. Originally, it was written in what is called 'Paleohebrew,' a script much different from current Hebrew texts.[2] Dots were employed as word separators, and there were no distinctions between medial and final forms. The language was written without vowels. From about the sixth century B.C.E. on, many consonants were added to represent vowels (aleph, he, vav, and yodh), known as matres lectionis, 'mothers of the reading.'"
Griffin, by the way, references one of the important works for this whole discussion, Cross and Freedman's Early Hebrew Orthography. Now, you may not agree with him; but Griffin here argues that the use matres lectiones did not come into play until the sixth century BCE. Therefore, any texts of biblical books that existed before then must have been subjected to a wholesale editing process to account that addes these matres lectiones. So, when reading, for example, the text of Exodus, if one believes that this text was written by Moses or someone at or close to that same time period, every time one comes across a heh, waw, or yod used as a vowel letter, one is actually reading a text that was updated to include these vowel letters many centuries later. That constitutes a substantial revision of the consonantal text.
(2) You stated, "Even if the Masoretic points are 99% accurate, that averages out to one mistake every three to four verses. Often that 1% error can make a significant change in meaning. For me, unless I have verified the points in a verse, I don’t trust them. And I recommend to everyone else that he verify the points before he counts them as accurate."
Again, I think the MT is far more accurate than 99%, and it does not come out to one mistake every three to four verses. And I trust the Masoretic vocalization far more that I do your verification process. There have been a number of times over the years where I have questioned a Masorectic vocalization, but there are standard text-critical methodologies to be employed when that happens.
(3) You asked, "Well then, what do you call that corruption?"
I can't answer this because the form of the question begs the question. I can't call "that corruption" anything, because it is not a corruption.
(4) Let's drop this one. I'm having a hard time understanding a strong statement distrust in a vocalization systsem that you concede might be 99% accurate. But such lack of nuancing leaves you open for characterizations that can only be called "straw man" characterizations by a wild stretch.
Blessings,
Jerry
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph)
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Ruth Mathys, 07/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/13/2013
- [b-hebrew] Re: Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), yahoo-arch, 07/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/14/2013
- [b-hebrew] Re: Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (Karl, Jerry, Ratson), yahoo-arch, 07/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (Karl, Jerry, Ratson), Rolf, 07/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (Karl, Jerry, Ratson), Jerry Shepherd, 07/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), K Randolph, 07/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Will Parsons, 07/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Isaac Fried, 07/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Isaac Fried, 07/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Isaac Fried, 07/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), K Randolph, 07/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), K Randolph, 07/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), K Randolph, 07/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), Jerry Shepherd, 07/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (K Randolph), K Randolph, 07/16/2013
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