Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David Kolinsky <hadeesh AT sbcglobal.net>]

Dear list members.

Part of Karl's comment is indeed correct - I made a mistake with the identification of the root.  It is indeed Y(D as Karl pointed out.  Nevertheless, I stand by the basic point of my comment "that Amos 3:3 is the niphal of the same root and means "to endure with / tolerate."  And that this equally applies to Ex21:8.

I would be delighted to hear your comments,

David Kolinsky
Monterey CA


David:

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM, David Kolinsky <hadeesh AT sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Karl and Kevin:

I suggest that you ponder the meaning of the niphal of this verb in Amos3:3.

There are many meanings for the root (DH.

The root here is Y(D, or as some say W(D. (DH is a root with the meaning of “to adorn” as in putting on jewelry. (DD is considered a variant of (WD to do a second time, as in reporting what one witnessed. Biblical Hebrew was pretty careful with its roots, not mixing them up even though their derivatives may share the same consonantal spellings.

Karl W. Randolph.

Karl and Kevin:

I suggest that you ponder the meaning of the niphal of this verb in Amos3:3.

There are many meanings for the root (DH.  But based on the words (aD = until, eternity; (oWD - still, again and (aeD = evidence (as well as many others);
I suggest to you that one of the meanings of this root is "to endure."

For this reason, the root also means "to set a time / meeting (a time of enduring in a certain place)"
Note also the related roots :

(DD (polel) meaning "to help endure, support, sustain (Ps146:9;147:6) and in the hitpael: to endure, remain standing (Ps20:9).

S(D meaning "to sustain, maintain (Is9:6)(Pr20:28); to support (Ps18:36;20:3;41:4;94:18;119:117); to refresh oneself (KgI13:7)  

and others.


In the case of Exod21:8, I agree with Karl that it is the KTiV that is correct and not the Qere.  I believe the correct translation is as follows:

"If she is bad / unpleasant in the sight of her lord, such that he cannot endure / tolerate her then he must let her go........."

In Amos3:3 the correct translation is : "Can two walk together, without the possibility of them being able to tolerate / endure together?"


David Kolinsky
Monterey, CA

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From: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
To: Kevin W. Woodruff <cierpke AT prodigy.net>
Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Exodus 21:8