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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: kwrandolph AT gmail.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin
- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:24:42 -0500 (EST)
Karl: You wrote: “[T]he Egyptian language may have had
very different pronunciations during Joseph's sojourn in That’s true. But then again, look at how easily the
four leading Egyptian names in the Patriarchal narratives can be explained based
on only 8 simple Egyptian words [plus two Hebrew writing conventions]. These 8 Egyptian words are so
super-simple that a Hebrew audience could readily figure them out. All eight of these Egyptian words appear
in Akhenaten’s Great Hymn to the Aten, which sets the monotheistic tone for
these four Egyptian names. Instead
of passively copying historical Egyptian names that have little if any
relationship to the storyline of Joseph being in Egypt, with gargantuan leaps of
creativity being needed to forcefit sophisticated Egyptian terminology to the
Hebrew letters in the received text (the scholarly view, and with Kenneth
Kitchen even changing the order of the Hebrew letters in Joseph’s Egyptian
name!), these four names in fact were created by the early Hebrew author of the
Patriarchal narratives, using 8 super-simple Egyptian words. Each name is expressly designed to
epitomize the character’s main role in this section of the Biblical
text. 1.
C P NT P (NX This is Joseph’s Egyptian name: sA pA nTr pA anx. Its literal meaning is either “son of the
The God, of The eternal life”, or more likely: “son of The God, The [God] who lives
eternally”. Its two implied
meanings are: “one who has been
appointed to lead 2.
P W + -Y- P R( This is the name of Joseph’s Egyptian
priestly father-in-law from On [where Ra was worshipped]: pA wa di -- pA ra. It means: “the one and only [God] gives -- the
[one and only] Ra”. [Hebrew peh
vav/P W cannot possibly, under any circumstances, be pA, as scholars would have
it, because plene spelling does not apply to foreign proper names in the
Patriarchal narratives, and a vav/W is the wrong spelling in any event of
Egyptian aleph, a letter that is directly comparable to Hebrew aleph.] The phrase pA wa is short for the
following ultra-monotheistic phrase that appears in Akhenaten’s Great Hymn to
the Aten: pA nTr wa. The particular phrase “pA ra” is found
in the most important nobleman’s rock tomb at Amarna (Aye’s tomb), in
association with the younger sister of Queen Nefertiti. [The interior yod/Y is the xireq compaginis, effectively being a
dash, that is found in the Amarna Letters written by the scribe of Hurrian
princeling ruler IR-Heba of 3.
P W + -Y- PR This is Joseph’s Egyptian master, who is
Captain of the Guard in charge of Pharaoh’s security. This name is: pA wa di -- pr. It means: “the one and only [God] gives --
house/great house/Pharaoh [for me to protect]”. Note that on the boundary stelae at his
new capital city at Amarna, Akhenaten is twice referred to as praA; so it makes sense to reference him by
pr/“house” and/or praA/“great house”.
[The scholarly view makes no sense whatsoever in implying an ayin at the
end of this name. That not only
makes the name inappropriate for a Captain of the Guard, but even worse results
in the Captain of the Guard allegedly having the very same name as Joseph’s
priestly Egyptian father-in-law.
Not. (These are the same
scholars, by the way, who insist, completely erroneously, that Abraham’s
divinely-changed name allegedly has the identical meaning as his birth name, and
that Sarah’s divinely-changed name allegedly has the identical meaning as her
birth name.)] 4.
P R( -H This Hebrew reference to the king of
I myself see all four of these Egyptian
names as having been composed by the truly brilliant Hebrew author of the
Patriarchal narratives in Year 14 of Akhenaten’s 17-year reign. But all to no avail, as Akhenaten in
fact never lifted a finger to help the first Hebrews maintain their homeland in
south-central Jim
Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
George Athas, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/23/2012
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[b-hebrew] Akhnaton,
Isaac Fried, 11/24/2012
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton, Isaac Fried, 11/25/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton,
jimstinehart, 11/25/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton, Isaac Fried, 11/25/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton - END THREAD, Yigal Levin, 11/25/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton - END THREAD, K Randolph, 11/26/2012
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[b-hebrew] Akhnaton,
Isaac Fried, 11/24/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
George Athas, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
K Randolph, 11/24/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/24/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin, George Athas, 11/25/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/24/2012
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