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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: wbparsons AT alum.mit.edu
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin
- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:39:07 -0500 (EST)
In response to my assertion
that ssade/C in early Biblical Hebrew can sometimes be an emphatic sin, having a
sound quite similar to sin/%, Will Parsons wrote: “I don't know, Jim - this view sounds kind of mainstream to me. At this rate you may lose your reputation for advocating ‘unconventional’ interpretations.” Well, if it’s “mainstream” that ssade/C in
early Biblical Hebrew can sometimes be an emphatic sin, having a sound quite
similar to sin/%, then why has no university scholar ever considered that in
trying to figure out the 3,000-year-old mystery of the meaning of Joseph’s
Egyptian name? That name starts
with ssade/C, per Genesis 41: 45: C
P NT P (NX. Scholars have never
been able to make much sense out of Joseph’s Egyptian name. Perhaps that’s because scholars have
never analyzed that name on the basis that ssade/C in early Biblical Hebrew can
sometimes be an emphatic sin, in which case it has a sound quite similar to
sin/%. The best explanation I have ever seen as to
how ssade/C relates to Egyptian names in the Bible appeared right here on the
b-hebrew list, way back on November 21, 2004, by Yitzhak Sapir. Citing the noted Egyptian linguist
Loprieno, Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
“Tsade sounded like an emphatic s. Loprieno suggests that the AfroAsiatic
*t. and *s. merge into Eg. /d/, which in turn is realized as an ejective t. …
However, this d_ is now closer to Tsade: Thus logically we would [in my opinion]
surmise the following. The Hebrew
ssade/C at the beginning of Joseph’s Egyptian name might be expected to reflect
in Egyptian either of the following:
(i) D; or (ii) an emphatic
sin or a regular sin (or samekh), that is:
s. Scholars are not sure
whether Egyptian had a pure sin/% sound, though s is prominent in Egyptian; perhaps the closest Hebrew equivalent to
Egyptian s was Hebrew ssade/C as an emphatic sin. Of critical importance here, however, is
to note that the single Hebrew letter ssade/C can n-o-t be Dd, as the majority scholarly view of
Joseph’s Egyptian name would have it:
a single Hebrew ssade/C cannot represent two different Egyptian true
consonants. So Dd, which may have
been pronounced De-de, is not a viable option here. Rather, the two viable options for
Hebrew ssade/C at the beginning of Joseph’s Egyptian name are: D or
s. If we don’t follow Kenneth Kitchen’s
outrageous gambit of changing the order of the remaining consonants in this name
[ouch!], the next letter is peh/P, which surely must render the Egyptian word
The majority scholarly view of Joseph’s
Egyptian name, though it has convinced few non-scholars, is that of Steindorff,
which goes all the long way back to 1899.
(The best that one might say about that old view is that all post-1899
attempts to analyze Joseph’s Egyptian name have been even worse.) Steindorff insists that the Hebrew
ssade/C at the beginning of Joseph’s Egyptian name is the Egyptian word Dd,
meaning “he said”. But in fact, we
definitely would not expect the single Hebrew letter ssade to be two true
consonants in Egyptian. Dd/De-de in
Egyptian would require ssade-tet/C+ in Hebrew, but here we only have
ssade/C. Steindorff’s gambit is
untenable. Logically, if we are willing to go beyond
what scholars have published, we should ask if that Hebrew ssade at the
beginning of Joseph’s Egyptian name might alternatively be sin or emphatic sin
or samekh. In that case, that
single Hebrew letter ssade would be the Egyptian sound s, and would be rendering
the Egyptian word sA, which means “son”.
Since sA is a 1-syllable Egyptian word, we would expect it to be rendered
by 1 Hebrew letter, which per the foregoing could well be ssade/C. [The aleph at the end of the Egyptian
word for “son”, sA, would not be rendered by Hebrew aleph, because the general
rule is that a 1-syllable foreign word will be rendered by 1 Hebrew letter in
early Biblical Hebrew defective spelling.
Thus Hebrew peh/P is the 1-syllable Egyptian word pA, and Hebrew ssade/C
is the 1-syllable Egyptian word sA.] Wait!
Pharaoh has just in effect adopted Joseph as his “son” when Pharaoh
bestows this new Egyptian name upon Joseph. And with Joseph being given powers
almost akin to the powers of Pharaoh himself, we know that the most famous
pharaonic title of all time was sA ra, literally meaning “son” of the god
Ra. So we would almost expect the
Egyptian word “son”, that is, sA, to be the initial element of Joseph’s Egyptian
name, if the early Hebrew author of the Patriarchal narratives knows what he’s
talking about. And it
is! If we’re willing to recognize that in early
Biblical Hebrew ssade could be emphatic sin and have a sound quite similar to
sin, then we can figure out the heretofore inexplicable meaning of Joseph’s
Egyptian name. The first letter is
Hebrew ssade/C, being a sound similar to s, and as such rendering the Egyptian
word sA, meaning “son”. The key to being the first ones to
understand Joseph’s Egyptian name in over 3,000 years is to realize that Hebrew
ssade could be emphatic sin. Jim
Stinehart |
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[b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/18/2012
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
JimStinehart, 11/20/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin, K Randolph, 11/21/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
Isaac Fried, 11/21/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin, jimstinehart, 11/21/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
JimStinehart, 11/21/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
K Randolph, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
George Athas, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/23/2012
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[b-hebrew] Akhnaton,
Isaac Fried, 11/24/2012
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton, Isaac Fried, 11/25/2012
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Akhnaton, jimstinehart, 11/25/2012
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[b-hebrew] Akhnaton,
Isaac Fried, 11/24/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
jimstinehart, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
George Athas, 11/23/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ssade Can Be Emphatic Sin,
K Randolph, 11/23/2012
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