Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

Hi Kirk

While I still cannot write Hebrew on B-hebrew, I can write Hebrew on
Bible Versions Discussion Board 
http://bibleversiondiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/5106/Trying-to-write-He
brew-on-BVDB-THIS-IS-A-TEST
Assuming the above link works, I have written the six variants of YHWH
that occur in Codex L.,
and given  some details as to how the Jewish reader was to read each of
those 6 variants of YHWH.

Two of the variants are to be read as "Adonai" and four of the variants
are to be read as "Elohiym". 
It is interesting to examine a  New King James Bible and examine how the
translators of Codex L.  translated each of those six variants into
English.

FWIW,
Dave Donnelly
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[b-hebrew] Resources for B-Hebrew

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Friends,

I'm compiling a new section for the B-Hebrew webpage: "Resources for
Biblical Hebrew." Naturally, that is a large subject, so I'm looking for
just online resources for this iteration of the webpage. I can't include
everything that is out there, but I would like to have ten or twelve
"must visit" sites that have lots of pointers elsewhere or that have
basic resources that every B-Hebrew member will want to know about
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--- On Tue, 3/8/11, David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Pardaes and barzel
To: "George Athas" <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 9:57 PM

George,

I find the assertion that=C2=A0 PaRDaeS (=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=93=D7=A1) is a loa=
n word to be quite absurd given that if it is related to any Hebrew word, i=
t would be related to =D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=93 which means:=20
paal: to separate, divide (Gn2:10);=C2=A0=20
niphal: be aloof (Pr18:1);=C2=A0 deserted (Pr19:4)
piel: to go off to the side (Hs4:14)=20
hiphil: to separate, set apart (Gn13:9;30:40)(KgII2:11)(Pr16:28)=20
hitpael: (moved aside) to be out of joint (Ps22:15;92:10)
A PaRDaeS is an area that is set apart from another.

Likewise, I would contend that BaRZeL (=D7=91=D7=A8=D7=96=D7=9C) evolved fr=
om BaRaZ (=D7=91=D7=A8=D7=96) to bore,=20
perforate, transfix (Jastro).=C2=A0 It is related to the Arabic cognate mea=
ning "to jut through / out, emerge from, come out, come into view."=C2=A0 T=
he most characteristic aspect of iron being its hardness and its ability to=
 perforate other=0A things.

I think there is a tendency among secular scholars to minimize the influenc=
e of Hebraic culture on other cultures perhaps as a counter balance to the =
religious view that all things ancient must have started with the people of=
 the Bible.=C2=A0 I think that if we can separate ourselves from these bias=
es and merely look at the internal evidence within Hebrew, much can be eluc=
idated.

David Kolinsky
Monterey CA

--- On Tue, 3/8/11, George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au> wrote:

From: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Words adopted into Biblical Hebrew Vocabulary
To: "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:37 PM

Actually, =D7=91=D7=A8=D7=96=D7=9C probably has a non-Semitic origin as wel=
l. I refer you to the=0A lexicons for the etymological trail. Furthermore, =
iron is a generic commodity, and you can see how the word would have infilt=
rated quite early on throughout a number of languages. 'Paradises' or 'bota=
nical gardens' or 'luxury estates' or however else you want to translate =
=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=93=D7=A1 isn't something you can generally take with you fo=
r trade or manufacturing. Its spread into the Semitic languages, therefore,=
 suggests a time when Persian luxury was widely known by fame and prestige.=
 I don't see how we can be any earlier than the Persian Era on that one. It=
 would be highly unlikely any earlier, in my opinion.


GEORGE ATHAS
Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia)
www.moore.edu.au


From: <dwashbur AT nyx.net<mailto:dwashbur AT nyx.net>>
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:30:24 -0800
To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>=
>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Words adopted into Biblical Hebrew Vocabulary

I ask because I'm thinking the vocalization reminds me a lot of BRZL, "iron=
," which as far as
I know is a semitic word.=C2=A0 I can't help wondering if PRDS is a similar=
 type of term.


Dave Washburn

http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur=0A

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