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  • From: Joseph Roberts <josephroberts3 AT gmail.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Plural Pronomial Suffixes used in a Singular sense
  • Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:51:42 -0800

I appreciate everyone's help, I have just begun exploring Hebrew. I actually
read about this on Ancient-Hebrew.org and they did not give an explanation
as far as the translations that have teh plural instead of the singular I
believe that is more theological and based on the word Zerah not the
pronomial suffix (my apologies). On Another note anyone have any comments or
opinion about the Ancient Hebrew Research Centre?
-Joseph Roberts

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:

> (Steve Miller)
> >
> > Thanks Donald. I was going to contact the maker of my verb table to see
> if
> > that was an error, but now I see that it's not an error.
> >
> > It seemed like it was an error to me because Hab 3:16 is the 1 and only
> > instance (according to BibleWorks) of a 1cp accusative suffix on an
> > imperfect verb that has a dagesh in the nun. With only 1 instance,
> wouldn't
> > it be more likely to be either a mistake in the points, or maybe the
> > accusative suffix is actually 3ms, as translated by some?
> >
> > ______
>
> It is alike that the instance in Hb 3:16 isn't but a literal copy, by
> mimetism, of the same word that appears in Gn 49:19.
> In a general way, it is quite true that the third person singular masculine
> -nu has dagesh while the first person (common) plural -nu lacks it.
>
> Now..... there are exceptions.
> Look here
> www.oham.net/out/S-t/S-t1700p.html
>
> Also compare (WRENW, our skin (Lm 5:10) with (WDENNW, still he/him (Gn
> 28:22) ----> -NW (our) versus -NNW (he, him, his)
>
> Heartly,
>
> Pere Porta
> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: Donald R. Vance, Ph.D. Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:28 AM
> > > To: steve AT voiceinwilderness.info
> > > Cc: 'Pere Porta'; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Plural Pronomial Suffixes used in a Singular
> > sense
> > >
> > > Not true. The nun energicum occurs with the 1st common plural
> accusative
> > suffix
> > > as well: Habakkuk 3:16 On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:44 AM, Steve Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Pere Porta
> > > >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:29 AM
> > > >> To: Joseph Roberts
> > > >> Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Plural Pronomial Suffixes used in a Singular
> > > >> sense
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (JR) I was reading about translations surrounding Genesis 3:15. It
> > > >>> was interesting to note that though many translate a portion of the
> > > >>> verse as "it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his
> > > >>> heel." the verb "tesuphenu"
> > > >>> has the first person plural ending yet it is translated as third
> > > >>> person singular. Is this a theological leaning or sometimes can a
> > > >>> plural ending be used in a singular sense?
> > > >>> Joseph Roberts
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> __________
> > > >>
> > > >> Compare, Joseph, the following two patterns:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.oham.net/out/PS-t/PS-t1996.html
> > > >> and
> > > >> http://www.oham.net/out/PS-t/PS-t1995p.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Do you see some difference between them?
> > > >>
> > > >> Remark: when -nu = -hu = him/it, then the nun has dagesh, while when
> > > >> -nu =
> > > > us,
> > > >> then it lacks it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pere Porta
> > > >> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > [Steve Miller] Thanks Pere. You are correct. My verb table program
> > > > erroneously shows a dagesh for both for this particular verb.
> > > > -Steve Miller
> > > > Detroit
> >
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> Pere Porta
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> (1Cor 15:32)
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