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  • From: "Paul Zellmer" <pzellmer AT sc.rr.com>
  • To: "'fred burlingame'" <tensorpath AT gmail.com>
  • Cc: 'B-Hebrew' <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] vocalization geography
  • Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:08:15 -0500

It is apparent that Dave was not addressing his suggestion to gain more
knowledge to native speakers of the language, but to one who does not
"communicate just fine with" Hebrew speakers and does not understand "all as
read by the priest."

I am reminded about how simple it is to learn Hebrew. After all, even
little children could speak it like experts!

Paul Zellmer

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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of fred burlingame
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:28 PM
To: dwashbur AT nyx.net
Cc: B-Hebrew
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] vocalization geography

Thanks for your comments.

I appreciate your insight.

I am learning swiftly, more and more each day here.

I recognize the sophistication of this masoretic text; and that a lot of it
above my pay grade.

But ....

I continue to believe in the following outcome of the hypothetical scenario
outlined below.
Dave arrives at a small village in Beersheva 1172 b.c.

The shepherds and farmers welcome him.

After a few days, Dave advises the community leaders that: "If you really
want to understand and communicate properly & effectively with your
language, you need to visit and study at the library and academy in
Shech-hem for a few years."

I believe that the response of the community to Dave would likely have been:
"We appreciate your suggestion, but we communicate just fine with one
another; and furthermore, we visited hev-ron last year to hear the priest
read from the Moshe book of the law. And we understood all of it as read by
the priest to us."

And that's where the rubber continues to meet the road ... here at b-hebrew
...

regards,

fred burlingame
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:51 PM, <dwashbur AT nyx.net> wrote:

>
>
> On 8 Nov 2010 at 17:32, fred burlingame wrote:
>
> > let me see if i understand.
> >
> > a. the waw consecutive, changes the verb from imperfect to perfect
> > tense
> > here.
>
> No. The prefix "converts" the verb in some way that we still don't fully
> understand, but
> assomeone else pointed out, the resulting form is most commonly used as a
> basic narrative.
>
> > b. but the corresponding pronunciation of the verb changes from
> > imperfect to
> > perfect tense pronunciation, only in hiphil form.
>
> It depends on a host of phonetic factors, as well as the verb itself.
> There is no one "perfect
> tense pronunciation" or "imperfect" tense pronunciation.
>
> > c. "apocopated" doesn't look any shorter to me in terms of numbers
> > of
> > letters in the hiphil form.
>
> The apocopated forms are only evident in certain verbs. You need to spend
> a LOT more
> time in the scholarly literature before you try to go after this aspect of
> the language.
>
>
> Dave Washburn
>
> http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
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