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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?
- From: Petr Tomasek <tomasek AT etf.cuni.cz>
- To: "R. Lehmann" <lehmann AT uni-mainz.de>
- Cc: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?
- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:47:59 +0200
> Whatever the consensus might be (and I do not agree with Kevin
> Riley), there is still a general problem with dageshes and single
> points in the middle of letters at all, i.e. including dagesh lene/
> forte, Shureq and Mappiq:
Why do You think, they all present the same linguistic/textual phenomene?
I'd rather see the dagesh as remnant of the "diacritic point" (see
e.g. in syriac the oldest text had only those "diacritic points"
and all the punctuation developed from it).
Even in tiberian masoretic texts the dagesh clearly has several
distinct functions:
- dagesh lene
- dagesh forte
- mapiq
- discernive dagesh
- dehiq/ate merahiq (=conjuctive dagesh?)
- shuruq/ḥolem
In BP a dagesh is sometimes even used to distinguish between holy
and profane usage of the word EL ("god" versus "God"), i.e. it
hardly can be connected with any phonetic feature.
> Simply, a point in the middle of a consonant denotes forced,
> amplified or accelerated pronounciation of that consonant. Depending
> on A. kind of consonant, and B. phonemic environment, and maybe C.
> syntactical environment, this amplification has different effects,
> which we are familiar with by the wellknown dageshing rules, Shureq(-
> u) pronounciation of Waw, or viceless laryngal of final He (which is
> the rule at the beginning and middle of a word).
>
> Thus, yes:
> > - presumably, dagesh always means the same thing, whether a change of
> > aspiration or a new sound (sibilant?)
>
> but with different effects, depending on … (see above).
>
> And this:
> > - in some environments (yeshobhebh), the aspirated versions are nearly
> > unpronounceable.
>
> By no means it is. At least not for a German native speaker ;-)
>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Kevin Riley, 08/24/2009
- [b-hebrew] just a TEST; please do not reply; sorry about the bother, Yodan, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Vadim Cherny, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Vadim Cherny, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Vadim Cherny, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Kevin Riley, 08/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Petr Tomasek, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, James Read, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, James Read, 08/24/2009
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