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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?
- From: Petr Tomasek <tomasek AT etf.cuni.cz>
- To: Vadim Cherny <him AT vadimcherny.org>
- Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?
- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:33:25 +0200
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 02:48:20PM +0300, Vadim Cherny wrote:
> What is the consensus opinion of the original functioning of begedkefet
> pairs:
>
> 1. A difference in aspiration b/bh, or
> 2. Completely different sounds b/v ?
Well, b/v are not "completely different" sounds neither. :)
What is clear, is that letters of bega"d kefa"t with and without dagesh
do not present two different phonemes but rather are alophones
(in masoretic biblical hebrew). The reason why they are at all marked
is likely due to the fact, that hebrew was not the mother tongue of the
masoretes, in which a phonemic distinction existed between b/v (or whatever
fonetic value they had).
BTW, I'd recommend reading the following article:
Richard L. Goerwitz. "Is Tiberian Səgôl a Phoneme?" in: Proceedings of the
Twelfth International Congress of the International Organization for
Masoretic Studies. E. J. Revell (ed.). Cambrigde University: Scholars Press
1995. pp. 155-170.
P.T.
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[b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Vadim Cherny, 08/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Kevin Riley, 08/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Kevin Riley, 08/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Yodan, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Kevin Riley, 08/24/2009
- [b-hebrew] just a TEST; please do not reply; sorry about the bother, Yodan, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Yodan, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Kevin Riley, 08/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Kevin Riley, 08/22/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Vadim Cherny, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Vadim Cherny, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Vadim Cherny, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
R. Lehmann, 08/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Kevin Riley, 08/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
Petr Tomasek, 08/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, James Read, 08/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?,
James Read, 08/23/2009
- [b-hebrew] Dagesh - a different sound or aspiration?, Randall Buth, 08/24/2009
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