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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21

From: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:37:06 +1000

Scuba diving, eh? Some of us have time to kill... ;)

It’s the yiqtol that conveys habitual action in the past. For example, 1 Sam
2.19 uses a yiqtol, תעשה, to describe Hannah’s habit of making the boy Samuel
a robe to wear, which she would take to him each year. To me, this action is
realis. However, since we are not focusing on one particular instance of this
action, our vIew of the action is indefinite. Therefore, as far as habitual
past action goes, ‘indefinite’ seems to fit.

Regards,

GEORGE ATHAS
Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia)
www.moore.edu.au

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From: <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
Reply-To: <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:27:13 +1000
To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21

On 22 Apr 2009 at 12:25, George Athas wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Good question. I like the realis/irrealis distinction, and often use
> it to supplement my definitions in the classroom. The only qualm I
> have with it is I'm not sure it adequately describes habitual action
> in the past. Such actions are, to my mind, realis. To see them,
> however, as indefinite, I think overcomes this problem.
>
> I'd be interested in your thoughts on this.

I confess there's a lot of recent discussion that I haven't been following
(too focused on
scuba diving!). Could you expand a couple of things for me: which form(s)
do you see
denoting habitual action in the past, and how do you define "indefinite" in
the context that
you're using it?

Dave Washburn

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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21 , (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Yitzhak Sapir, 04/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Isaac Fried, 04/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Joseph Justiss, 04/20/2009
  - Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, K Randolph, 04/21/2009
    - Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Jason Hare, 04/21/2009
      - Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/21/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/21/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/21/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/21/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/21/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/23/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/23/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/23/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect, was "The use ...", Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect, was "The use ...", George Athas, 04/22/2009
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        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Isaac Fried, 04/22/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Jason Hare, 04/22/2009