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Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21

From: dwashbur AT nyx.net
To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:29:56 -0700

On 22 Apr 2009 at 9:56, George Athas wrote:

> I'm with Rolf on this one: tense is not grammaticalised in Biblical Hebrew.
> Rather, tense has to be inferred from deictic markers elsewhere in the
> clause.
>
> The distinction I work with, and it does seem to work, is that Qatal
> represents 'definite action', and Yiqtol represents 'indefinite
> action'. The distinction between these is similar to that of nouns: a
> definite noun is specific and particular, while an indefinite noun is
> less so. Both a definite noun and an indefinite noun can refer to one
> person (e.g. 'the king' and 'a king'), but the definite is quite
> specific, while the indefinite is less so. Wayyiqtol looks at an
> action as though it were happening 'live'.

George,
I agree that tense is not grammaticalised in BH. I'm wondering how your
distinction
compares and contrasts with the "realis/irrealis" distinction between Qatal
and Yiqtol
suggested by Hatav and others (myself included)?

Thanks,
Dave Washburn

Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21 , (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Yitzhak Sapir, 04/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Isaac Fried, 04/21/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Joseph Justiss, 04/20/2009
  - Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, K Randolph, 04/21/2009
    - Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, Jason Hare, 04/21/2009
      - Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/21/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/21/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/21/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/21/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/21/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/23/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, George Athas, 04/23/2009
        Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21, dwashbur, 04/23/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect, was "The use ...", Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect, was "The use ...", George Athas, 04/22/2009
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Rolf Furuli, 04/22/2009
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Tense and aspect; was: "The use of ", Stoney Breyer, 04/22/2009