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[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

Jim,

The root YTR is in my opinion a variant of the roots (TR, ($R,  
'replete, plenty'.
I hold it a basic tenet of Hebrew etymology that every root  
containing the letter L, such as XBL, refers to a state of elevation  
or extension, and that every root that contains the letter R, such as  
XBR, refers to a state of aggregation or dispersion.

Isaac Fried, Boston University
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Hey Karl -

If a person cannot go by previous translations (presumably done by =20
those who have already studied the language), or by what appears to =20
be a root word based on the letters, then what hope is there to =20
arrive at an understanding of the word?  You say that we should look =20
at the language itself, do our own investigation, but how is that to =20
be done?  Isn't that what the dictionary writers did?

If the answer to this question is too long or detailed, you could =20
refer me to a book that explains how an ordinary person is supposed =20
to accomplish this.

Thanks,
Mary.

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Mary Thompson
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"I am always doing that which I cannot do, in order that I may learn =20
how to do it."
 -- Pablo Picasso


On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:56 AM, K Randolph wrote:
> How many times do I have to emphasize that translations don=B4t =20
> impress me?
> You could bring 100 translations. What you need to do is to show me =20=

> from the
> language itself, not translations.
>
> > In your view, are all of these translations in error?
>
>
> Possibly. I notice the LXX translated it as =A8hard=A8.
>
> Translation is a tricky activity, and most translators are not Hebrew
> scholars per se. So when they come across verses such as this where =20=

> there
> are no exact equivalents in English, they then go to BDB or some other
> dictionary, without doing their own investigation to see if the =20
> dictionary
> is right.
> >

> Again I emphasize to be careful not to do the etymological fallacy. =20=

> Just

> because a word may have the same letters as a root does not =20
> automatically
> mean that the word comes from that root. It is possible that the =20
> word in
> question is a loan word, making its root in a different language =20
> with a
> different meaning than the root found in Hebrew.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.