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[John Wilking <jcwilking AT yahoo.com>]

Isaac,
   
  I hate to show my ignorance, but would these ideas have any effect on an 
English translation?  And would there be a difference when it is collocated 
with HU, as in Isaiah 48:12?  I've been trying to see the difference between 
"I am he" and "It is I" and the times in which they would occur in English.
   
  John C. Wilking

Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
  John,

In my opinion the stand-alone Hebrew personal pronoun ANI is the compound 
AN-I, where AN is an existence marker, or a substantive, corresponding to 
the English 'in, on', and I is a universal identity marker [as is U], here 
for the one who refers to himself. The I in V-)APS-I of Isaiah 47:8 has the 
same purpose. The root )PS, 'complete, replete, full, packed', is a variant 
of )BS of Proverbs 15:17.

Isaac Fried, Boston University
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> Yitzhak,
>
> If ANI can mean "It is I," perhaps that is what it means in Isaiah 47:8 
> and 10, especially since it is translated as EGW EIMI in the LXX (I 
> believe) which also means "It is I." But here it is not in response to a 
> question, "Is that you?," but in a setting of self exaltation. (That also 
> got me thinking of John 8:58).
>
> Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2007 3:01 PM, John Wilking wrote:
>> How would you say, "It is I" in Hebrew? Are there different ways?
>
> Yigal gave you an example in Modern Hebrew.
>
> In 1 Kings 18:8, you see an example from Biblical Hebrew: "Ani."
>
> Yitzhak Sapir
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John,

All I did is express my opinion that ANI =3D AN+I, as ANU is AN+U. In =
Isaiah 48:12 HU) is placed to play the role of HWH, 'being', standing in =
the interval between RI)$ON, 'first', and )AXARON, 'last'. I would =
translate the verse as: I am the one --- I am the first, even the last.

Isaac Fried, Boston University
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  Isaac,

  I hate to show my ignorance, but would these ideas have any effect on =
an English translation?  And would there be a difference when it is =
collocated with HU, as in Isaiah 48:12?  I've been trying to see the =
difference between "I am he" and "It is I" and the times in which they =
would occur in English.

  John C. Wilking

  Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
    John,

    In my opinion the stand-alone Hebrew personal pronoun ANI is the =
compound=20
    AN-I, where AN is an existence marker, or a substantive, =
corresponding to=20
    the English 'in, on', and I is a universal identity marker [as is =
U], here=20
    for the one who refers to himself. The I in V-)APS-I of Isaiah 47:8 =
has the=20
    same purpose. The root )PS, 'complete, replete, full, packed', is a =
variant=20
    of )BS of Proverbs 15:17.

    Isaac Fried, Boston University
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: "John Wilking"=20
    To: "Yitzhak Sapir" ;=20
    Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 4:57 PM
    Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH


    > Yitzhak,
    >
    > If ANI can mean "It is I," perhaps that is what it means in Isaiah =
47:8=20
    > and 10, especially since it is translated as EGW EIMI in the LXX =
(I=20
    > believe) which also means "It is I." But here it is not in =
response to a=20
    > question, "Is that you?," but in a setting of self exaltation. =
(That also=20
    > got me thinking of John 8:58).
    >
    > Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
    > On Dec 27, 2007 3:01 PM, John Wilking wrote:
    >> How would you say, "It is I" in Hebrew? Are there different ways?
    >
    > Yigal gave you an example in Modern Hebrew.
    >
    > In 1 Kings 18:8, you see an example from Biblical Hebrew: "Ani."
    >
    > Yitzhak Sapir
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On Dec 28, 2007 6:25 PM, K Randolph wrote:
> These two words are used only in Ezekiel. SRB is used only in 2:6 and SLWN
> used both there and in 28:24. Known words used in parallel with them are
> scorpion in 2:6 and thorn bush in 28:24. In 28:24 SLWN appears to be the
> cause of infection.
> SLWN looks like it comes from the same root as SLH, used in Psalm 119:118,
> some sort of meaning connected with despising.
>
> Are there any more clues as to the meaning of these words?

According to HALOT, srb in Arabic means 'to graze freely,' and in general in 
the
Bible means 'obstinate.'
Similarly, slwn has cognates in Jewish Aramaic, Mandaic, Syriac, Arabic, and
Akkadian all meaning 'thorn,' just like in the Bible.

Therefore, I would suggest that slwn is 'thorn' and sbr is 'weed.'

Yitzhak Sapir