Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

Pere,

What do you mean by "Either I agree with your statement about the  
inner structure of the second type of Imperative or not"? You have to  
agree with me, how can you otherwise explain the structure of RIB and  
RIBAH?
Better leave the "paragogic" letters business to the dictionary readers.
Stressing the 'RI' of RIBAH I hear 'please fight', while stressing  
the 'BAH' I hear 'a young woman'. Stressing the 'QU' of QUMI I hear  
'rise girl', while stressing 'MI' I hear 'my rising'.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:

> So,
> 1. Paragogic heh all grammars and dictionaries tell about.... does  
> not exist in Hebrew?
> 2. Either I agree with your statement about the inner structure of  
> the second type of Imperative or not... you do not answer to my  
> question on the stress place within this type of Imperatives: are  
> they always oxytone? And if not... which are the cases when they  
> are paroxytone?
>
> Pere Porta
> Barcelona (Spain)
>
> The middle vowel of the QAL imperatives forms you mention is a  
> personal pronoun referring the the person ordered. In this, the  
> vowel 'I' is the essential part of HI), and the vowel 'U' is the  
> essential part of HU), gender and number independently. Often 'I'  
> is reduced to 'E', and 'U' to 'O'. Thus, QUM = Q-HU)-M, SIM = S-HI)- 
> M, $EB = $-HI)-B, XOG = X-HU)-G. Addressing a woman you add for  
> clarity of reference an extra HI) at the end to say KUMI=K-HU)-M- 
> HI), and addressing a group you add an extra HU) at the end to say  
> KUMU = K-HU)-M-HU).
> Addressing an important person, and assuming a pleading attitude,  
> an extra reverential HI), you', is added at the end, as when the  
> elders of Israel respectfully and beseechingly address $MUEL by  
> SIMAH = SIM-HI).
> There is, of course, no "paragogic" letters in Hebrew words.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 12:56 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> <pporta AT oham.net>  
> wrote:
>
> > There are some Imperative forms in the Bible that consist of three  
> > letters
> > of which the middle one is yud, which are, so to say, normal. I  
> > mean for
> > example LYN (Jdg 19:9) or &YM (Gn 24:2).
> >
> > But sometimes this type of Imperative takes a paragogic heh as in  
> > &YMH (1Sa
> > 8:5) or $YTH (Ps 9:21) or RYBH (Ps 35:1)
> >
> > I'm wondering: as regards these latter, are these words as a rule  
> > always
> > oxytone?
> >
> > Pere Porta
> > Barcelona (Spain)
> >
> >
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