Biblical Hebrew Forum

[<pporta AT oham.net>]

> On 9/6/07, Pere Porta wrote:
> > >> > In YWOD"(A (Rt 3:11), it is clear that Y is root consonant.
> > >> > But, what about YWCAR, third word in Isa 54:17?
> > >> > Is here the yod a root consonant -or radical-  too?
> > >> > This question is intended not as a byzantine one but in order to 
> > >> > make
> > >> > clear where to put this type of word (YWCAR)  in the Hebrew 
> > >> > Schemary.
> > >
> > YS -- Yes, it is.
> > PP - Are you quite sure that the yod in YWCAR is a root consonant, namely
> > the first consonant of the basic YFCAR?
> > I'm not.
> > Maybe you will ask: And why not?
> >
> > In Lev 20:10 (YWMAT) and Isa 28:27 (YWDA$) we have to paralel or 
> > analogous
> > verb forms (Huph'al imperfective, 3rd person singular) where initial YW 
> > is,
> > to my sense, clearly a prefix and by no means belonging to the root. So, 
> > why
> > would the yod/yud in YW of YWCAR be the same consonant we find in the 
> > basic
> > YFCAR (Is 44:10)?
YS - > Yes, you are right, almost.
> Is 54:17 ywcr is 3ms imperfect so that y is not a root letter.  I
> think the w may
> originally have been a root letter I think it's not likely.  The verb
> form is a Qal
> passive.  The  verb type is a weak verb with initial y.

PP - In the tools I have at hand I read ywcr is a Hoph'al imperfect form. I 
ask: What is the difference between Hophal and Qal passive?  Is Qal passive 
a regular or consistent conjugation?


> Lev 20:10 is not comparable.  It is 3ms imperfect Hophal.  The verb type 
> is
> a weak verb with medial w (and this is why it's not comparable).

Why would they not be comparable? The inner structure of ywcr (Is 54:17) and 
of ywmt (Lev 20:10), of ywd$ (Is 28:27) and of ywsb (Is 28:27) is, to my 
sense, QUITE THE SAME. Even if the verb type where these words are built 
from is not the same.



YS > Is 28:27 ywd$ is 3ms imperfect Qal of a medial w weak verb:

PP - I do not understand. Why ywd$ (Is 28:27) would be 3ms imperfect Qal 
while ywmt (Lev 20:10) would be 3ms imperfect Hophal?

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Spain)