Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>]

Thank you very much!

I am really shocked as to the number of typos I am finding in this book!

B"H
John Steven

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you 
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.


Isaac Fried wrote:

> Brak, it is T.IN.FG:$IY as again below
>
> ×ªÖ¼Ö´× Ö¼Ö¸×'ְשִ×^(TM)
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On Jun 17, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Brak wrote:
>
>  
>
> > Can you give the Hebrew using the Michigan encoding, as what you  
> > typed is appearing as a bunch of weirdness, not Hebrew characters.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > B"H
> > John Steven
> >
> > "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as  
> > you behave."
> > -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
> >
> >
> > Isaac Fried wrote:
> >    
> >
> > > Brak,
> > >
> > > It is certainly a typo. The 2fs, Nif'al, "Imperfect" [column 3 from
> > > the right, row 7 from the bottom, page 414 of Page H. Kelley:
> > > Biblical Hebrew] is correctly
> > >
> > > Ã--ªÃ-¼Ã-´Ã-- Ã-¼Ã-¸Ã--âEUR^(TM)Ã-°Ã--©Ã-´Ã--â"¢
> > >
> > > In other words, a Schwaic Gimel is missing between the Nun and the
> > > Shin. I hope you see the Hebrew correctly.
> > >
> > > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> > >
> > > On Jun 17, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Brak wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > > Here's the list that the book gives on page 414:
> > > >
> > > > 3MS     YIN.FG"$
> > > > 3FS     T.IN.FG"$
> > > > 2MS     T.IN.FG"$
> > > > 2FS     T.IN.F$IY
> > > > 1CS     )EN.FG"$
> > > > 3MP     YIN.FG:$W.
> > > > 3FP     T.IN.FGA$:NFH
> > > > 2MP     T.IN.FG:$W.
> > > > 2FP     T.IN.FGA$:NFH
> > > > 1CP     NIN.FG"$
> > > >
> > > > The 2FS is that one that has me wondering if its a typo since it
> > > > has the
> > > > Gimel (the middle root letter) dropped.
> > > > So is this a typo, or some odd grammar thing that the book fails to
> > > > explain?
> > > >
> > > > For those of you not familiar with the Michigan Encoding, here is a
> > > > key
> > > > for the encoding above:
> > > > ) = Aleph          . = Dagesh
> > > > G = Gimmel         : = Sheva
> > > > H = He             " = Sere
> > > > W = Vav            A = Patach
> > > > Y = Yod            F = Qamas
> > > > N = Nun            E = Segol
> > > > $ = Shin           I = Chireq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > B"H
> > > > John Steven
> > > >
> > > > "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as  
> > > > you
> > > > behave."
> > > > -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brak wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >        
> > > >
> > > > > I'm confused. What is NGF
> > > > > F in the Michigan Encoding is the Qamas.
> > > > > Did you mean something else?
> > > > >
> > > > > The grammar book uses NG# for the examples in the table showing the
> > > > > various forms.
> > > > > When you say that " NG$ does not come in Nifaal form " do you mean
> > > > > that
> > > > > NG# can never be in that form, or that it just doesn't appear in  
> > > > > the
> > > > > Bible in that form?
> > > > >
> > > > > If its the former: why would the grammar book use that word? If
> > > > > its the
> > > > > later: what would it be theoretically?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have the book in fornt of me now, but maybe when I do
> > > > > tomorrow I
> > > > > can  give the examples of the Imperfect Nif'al forms of the Pe Nun
> > > > > from
> > > > > the book. Maybe some context will help with the question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > B"H
> > > > > John Steven
> > > > >
> > > > > "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing  
> > > > > as you
> > > > > behave."
> > > > > -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Isaac Fried wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >          
> > > > >
> > > > > > John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NG$ does not come in a Nifaal form but NGS does. For NGF it is:
> > > > > > NIGAFT = N-I-GAF-T (you, singular, female, past)
> > > > > > TINAGFIY = T-I-NAGF-IY (you, singular, female, future)
> > > > > > The A vowel is just a puff of air. The NI$MAR = NI-$MAR form
> > > > > > contains
> > > > > > the personal pronoun [or the pair of personal pronouns N-I for the
> > > > > > subject and the object] NI [kind of ANI or AN-HI] for the person
> > > > > > performing the act $MR upon itself. Thus, NI$MAR is 'he guarded
> > > > > > himself'. Roots, such as NG$, NGS, NGF, that have the  
> > > > > > misfortune to
> > > > > > start with the letter N lose one N, or one N gets to play at once
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > two roles of radical and pronoun. So, instead of *NINGAF it is
> > > > > > NIGAF.
> > > > > > To indicate a female actor Hebrew adds the personal pronoun AT
> > > > > > [shortened to a mere T] to the end of the verb, to have NIGAFT.
> > > > > > In an
> > > > > > intended action, NI is replaced by TI [kind of ATI or AT-HI] to
> > > > > > produce TINAGFIY = T-I-NAGF-IY, 'you will defeat yourself'---
> > > > > > directly
> > > > > > on indirectly. Notice that in the QAL form it is TI$MRIY = TI- 
> > > > > > $MR-IY
> > > > > > and NI$MOR = NI-$M-O-R. I tend to think the inserted -O- is HO  
> > > > > > = HU
> > > > > > for the object, the thing that we propose to guard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Brak wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >            
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think I might have found another typo in my grammar book.
> > > > > > > What would be the Imperfect Nif'al 2FS of
> > > > > > > NG#
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > B"H
> > > > > > > John Steven
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing
> > > > > > > as you
> > > > > > > behave."
> > > > > > > -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
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