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  • From: Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>
  • To: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Imperfect Nif'al 2FS
  • Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:03:11 -0500

Can you give the Hebrew using the Michigan encoding, as what you typed is appearing as a bunch of weirdness, not Hebrew characters.

Thanks!


B"H
John Steven

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.


Isaac Fried wrote:

Brak,

It is certainly a typo. The 2fs, Nif'al, "Imperfect" [column 3 from the right, row 7 from the bottom, page 414 of Page H. Kelley: Biblical Hebrew] is correctly

×ªÖ¼Ö´× Ö¼Ö¸×'ְשִ×^(TM)

In other words, a Schwaic Gimel is missing between the Nun and the Shin. I hope you see the Hebrew correctly.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Jun 17, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Brak wrote:


Here's the list that the book gives on page 414:

3MS YIN.FG"$
3FS T.IN.FG"$
2MS T.IN.FG"$
2FS T.IN.F$IY
1CS )EN.FG"$
3MP YIN.FG:$W.
3FP T.IN.FGA$:NFH
2MP T.IN.FG:$W.
2FP T.IN.FGA$:NFH
1CP NIN.FG"$

The 2FS is that one that has me wondering if its a typo since it has the
Gimel (the middle root letter) dropped.
So is this a typo, or some odd grammar thing that the book fails to explain?

For those of you not familiar with the Michigan Encoding, here is a key
for the encoding above:
) = Aleph . = Dagesh
G = Gimmel : = Sheva
H = He " = Sere
W = Vav A = Patach
Y = Yod F = Qamas
N = Nun E = Segol
$ = Shin I = Chireq






B"H
John Steven

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.


Brak wrote:


I'm confused. What is NGF
F in the Michigan Encoding is the Qamas.
Did you mean something else?

The grammar book uses NG# for the examples in the table showing the
various forms.
When you say that " NG$ does not come in Nifaal form " do you mean that
NG# can never be in that form, or that it just doesn't appear in the
Bible in that form?

If its the former: why would the grammar book use that word? If its the
later: what would it be theoretically?

I don't have the book in fornt of me now, but maybe when I do tomorrow I
can give the examples of the Imperfect Nif'al forms of the Pe Nun from
the book. Maybe some context will help with the question.


B"H
John Steven

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.


Isaac Fried wrote:




John,

NG$ does not come in a Nifaal form but NGS does. For NGF it is:
NIGAFT = N-I-GAF-T (you, singular, female, past)
TINAGFIY = T-I-NAGF-IY (you, singular, female, future)
The A vowel is just a puff of air. The NI$MAR = NI-$MAR form contains
the personal pronoun [or the pair of personal pronouns N-I for the
subject and the object] NI [kind of ANI or AN-HI] for the person
performing the act $MR upon itself. Thus, NI$MAR is 'he guarded
himself'. Roots, such as NG$, NGS, NGF, that have the misfortune to
start with the letter N lose one N, or one N gets to play at once the
two roles of radical and pronoun. So, instead of *NINGAF it is NIGAF.
To indicate a female actor Hebrew adds the personal pronoun AT
[shortened to a mere T] to the end of the verb, to have NIGAFT. In an
intended action, NI is replaced by TI [kind of ATI or AT-HI] to
produce TINAGFIY = T-I-NAGF-IY, 'you will defeat yourself'--- directly
on indirectly. Notice that in the QAL form it is TI$MRIY = TI-$MR-IY
and NI$MOR = NI-$M-O-R. I tend to think the inserted -O- is HO = HU
for the object, the thing that we propose to guard.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Brak wrote:






Hello,

I think I might have found another typo in my grammar book.
What would be the Imperfect Nif'al 2FS of
NG#

Thanks in advance.


--

B"H
John Steven

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
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