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  • From: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die
  • Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:25:26 -0700 (PDT)

Well said, Michael.

It is good to keep in mind that the ancient writers were not grammarians,
and didn't know what grammar was. They used the language as was
the custom in their time. Also, they made occasional mistakes, as did the
editors and those who transmitted the texts long before the masoretes.

Uri

Michael Abernathgy wrote:

I know that the Qatal commonly refers to the past
but do you acknowledge any acceptions to that?
Such as when the verb refers to a continuing state.
Gen 4:9.
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And the LORD said unto Cain: 'Where is Abel thy brother?' And he said: 'I
KNOW not; am I my brother's keeper?'

Gen 32:11

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I am too little for all the mercies. . .

How do you interpret Isaiah 5:13 as a prediction of future captivity or
something said after the captivity has begun?

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Isa 5:13 Therefore My people are gone into captivity, for want of knowledge;
and

their honourable men are famished, and their multitude are parched with
thirst

Sincerely

Michael Abernathy






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On 12/04/2007 21:03, michaelabernat9001 AT sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Lisbeth,
>
> I know that the Qatal commonly refers to the past
> but do you acknowledge any acceptions to that?
> Such as when the verb refers to a continuing state.
> Gen 4:9.
> 9 וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל־קַיִן אֵי
> הֶבֶל אָחִיךָ וַיֹּאמֶר לֹא יָדַעְתִּי
> הֲשֹׁמֵר אָחִי אָנֹכִי׃
> And the LORD said unto Cain: 'Where is Abel thy brother?' And he said: 'I
> KNOW not; am I my brother's keeper?'
>
>
It is common in several languages to use the past tense of a verb for
"know" with present meaning, meaning more like "have come to know".

> Gen 32:11
>
> קָטֹנְתִּי מִ‍כֹּל הַחֲסָדִים
>
> I am too little for all the mercies. . .
>
>
"Stative" verbs like this are well known to be exceptions to the normal
verb form rules. Perhaps YD` could be understood as partially stative.

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Peter Kirk
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