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  • From: "Rolf Furuli" <furuli AT online.no>
  • To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Question for Rolf on the JW outlook on the Hebrew
  • Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:04:40 -0000

Dear Harold,

In the study of a dead language we can never draw a conclusion and believe that this is the final word, this is the truth. But by the use of different approaches we can try to come as close the the correct understanding as possible. I have also applied my model to New Testament Greek, although I have not yet analysed all the verbs of the NT. You are correct in your observations that the aorist may have non-pastreference - it can even has future reference (e.g., Jude 1:14). My conclusion so far is that past tense is not a part of the aorist, but it represents the perfective aspect. I take the imperfect as as past tense + the imperfective aspect, present as the imperfective aspect, and future as future tense.




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----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Question for Rolf on the JW outlook on the Hebrew


Dear Rolf,

When I ask the question: "Is past tense an uncancelable part of the
WAYYIQTOL form?," I seek a scrupulous distinction between semantics and
pragmatics when I answer the question, and I use "scrupulous" as defined by
Websters.


HH: What you are seeking for seems unrealistic. An essential idea of the
Greek aorist is that it is a preterite; it expresses past meaning. But
that is not always the case. Sometimes the aorist can be used in
contexts which indicate a present meaning. And it can be used in
contexts which imply a future meaning. I was just reading about it:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BExv_MTYrZkC&dq=uses+of+aorist+Greek&pg=PA22&ots=gXedHFoi0S&sig=Xpoo7X4iOYetqTTFLw0tPx4R2u0&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Duses%2Bof%2Baorist%2BGreek%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=2#PPA16-IA4,M1


Language is not as rigid as you seem to propose.

RF
I think you misunderstand my position here.


Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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Best regards,

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo





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