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- From: "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>
- To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14
- Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:22:21 -0500
Dear Jack,
I intersperse my comment below.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On
> Behalf Of Harold Holmyard
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 9:36 PM
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14
>
> Dear Jack,
> > I have a question or two about Isaiah 7:14. Let me say at the outset
> > that
> > I do not care
> whether the feminine singular noun 'LMH means virgin or young woman. After
> the atnach
> at 'WT up to the zeqef qatan at BN there are five words - HNH H'LMH HRM
>
> HH: You mean HRH, not HRM.
>
> > VYLDT BN. There is a demonstrative particle (DP), a feminine singular
> > noun (FSN1), a
> second feminine singular noun (FSN 2),
>
> HH: This (FSN 2) is not a noun but an adjective.
LF: Harold is correct, it's an adjective, in this case a predicate adjective.
When the noun has an article the adjective may or may not also have the
article, and the sense changes accordingly.
ha'alma hara == the young woman is pregnant.
ha'alma hehara == the pregnant young woman.
>
> > a qal feminine singular active participle (FSAP), and a singular
> > masculine noun (MSN).
> > My first question relates to FSN1 and FSN2, are these nouns together a
> > singular
> construct? Both retain the qamets and the terminal H and neither shortened
> the qamets to a
> patah or added a terminal T.
> > My second question pertains to FSAP. Is this treated as a noun or a
> > verb,
> > i.e. can it be
> read as a noun "one who gives birth" or can it only be read as "she will be
> giving birth".
LF: How about The young woman is pregnant and giving birth to (i.e.,
delivering) a son.
>
> HH: It is treated as an adjective, parallel with HRH. But it is also
> treated verbally because it takes the object BN. Participles, of course,
> can have both nominal and verbal functions.
> > In the former case the structure changes to DP, FSN1, FSN2, FSN3, MSN.
> > This of
> course leaves the phrase without a verb.
> >
> HH: The verb is understood.
> > My last question is about the definite article attached to FSN1. Is
> > there
> > some significance
> to this noun being only the noun to have a definite article?
> >
> HH: Yes, it is the subject.
LF: I.e., "the woman I'm pointing to".
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
Best,
Liz Fried
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[b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
tladatsi, 03/03/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Harold Holmyard, 03/03/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/03/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Steve Miller, 03/04/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14, Harold Holmyard, 03/04/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Isaac Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Isaac Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Isaac Fried, 03/06/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14, Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Isaac Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Isaac Fried, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Steve Miller, 03/04/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/03/2007
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14, David Kummerow, 03/04/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 7:14,
Harold Holmyard, 03/03/2007
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