Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Harold Holmyard <hholmyard AT ont.com>]

Bryant J. Williams III wrote:

> Dear Harold,
>
> Correction on spelling of Ptolmeys, should be Ptolomeys.
>  

HH: I am used to seeing it as Ptolemy. For example:

Ptolemy I Soter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ptolemy was one of Alexander the Great's most trusted generals, and 
among the seven  ... The taking of Jerusalem by Ptolemy Soter ca. 320

Yours,
Harold Holmyard

> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>
> To: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard AT ont.com>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
>
>
>  
>
> > Harold,
> >
> > Mashiach is not used here in this verse. In fact, the sequence of events
> > promulgated by Daniel, ca. 640-630 BCE, is such that it describes the
> > conflict between the Ptolmeys and the Seleucids after the division of the
> > Empire of Alexander the Great (11:1-4). Judea was between a rock and a
> >    
> hard
>  
>
> > place as the Ptolmeys and the Seleucids fought over control of the land.
> > Eventually, Antiochus III won out ca. 193 BCE. The rest they say is
> >    
> history.
>  
>
> > I would recommend I Maccabbees and Josephus to be read in conjunction with
> > Daniel 11. It is most illuminating. Furthermore, it appears that Rome got
> > involved, when the "ships of Kittim" (KJV), "ships of the western
> > coastlands," (NIV-with note Hebrew- of Kittim) in 11:30. Thus, the "prince
> > of the covenant" would not be the Mashiach. The Hebrew reads, "begid
> >    
> berit",
>  
>
> > LXX, "hGOUMENOS DIAQHKHS." BTW, eventually the Roman , Gnaeus Pompeii
> > Magnus, took over control of the land in 64 BCE. This brought to the
> > forefront Antigonus, father of Phasallus and Herod (later known as the
> > Great). We all know what happened after that.
> >
> >
> > En Xristwi,
> >
> > Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
> > To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
> >
> >
> >    
> >
> > > Dear Shoshanna,
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > > NONE of these verses refer to any "anti-christ" - which is a foreign
> > > > concept after all, if this were a Christian book, the rabbis would
> > > > not have included it in our Tanach.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Verse 22 refers to the covenant that the Jews made with the Romans -
> > > > ie; they will also be crushed by them - this does not refer to
> > > > Mashiach.
> > > >
> > > > Verse 21 refers to the Roman Empire, not to an "anti- christ"
> > > > ("contemptible one" = Roman empire)
> > > >
> > > > Verse 20:  The Hashmonean Dynasty will succeed Antiochus in
> > > > Jerusalem, but it will eventually fall as a result of a battle of
> > > > succession between the two brothers, Aristobulos and Hyrcanus.
> > > >
> > > > Verse 23:  By signing a "holy covenant" of friendship (see verses 28,
> > > > 30) with the Hashmoneans, Rome will be able to conquer the countries
> > > > surrounding the Land of Israel without fear of Hashmonean
> > > > Intervention.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE don't put foreign doctrine into our scripture, where it does not
> > > >        
> > exist.
> >    
> >
> > > >        
> > > HH: You may not realize this, but Christ is the English form of the
> > > Greek word Cristos, which means "anointed one" and is the Greek
> > > equivalent of Messiah (meshiach). The antichrist is the one is who is
> > > against Christ, or who imitates Christ as a pretender.
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > > Harold Holmyard
> > >
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