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["Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>]

Dear Harold,

Correction on spelling of Ptolmeys, should be Ptolomeys.

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>
To: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard AT ont.com>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22


> Harold,
>
> Mashiach is not used here in this verse. In fact, the sequence of events
> promulgated by Daniel, ca. 640-630 BCE, is such that it describes the
> conflict between the Ptolmeys and the Seleucids after the division of the
> Empire of Alexander the Great (11:1-4). Judea was between a rock and a
hard
> place as the Ptolmeys and the Seleucids fought over control of the land.
> Eventually, Antiochus III won out ca. 193 BCE. The rest they say is
history.
> I would recommend I Maccabbees and Josephus to be read in conjunction with
> Daniel 11. It is most illuminating. Furthermore, it appears that Rome got
> involved, when the "ships of Kittim" (KJV), "ships of the western
> coastlands," (NIV-with note Hebrew- of Kittim) in 11:30. Thus, the "prince
> of the covenant" would not be the Mashiach. The Hebrew reads, "begid
berit",
> LXX, "hGOUMENOS DIAQHKHS." BTW, eventually the Roman , Gnaeus Pompeii
> Magnus, took over control of the land in 64 BCE. This brought to the
> forefront Antigonus, father of Phasallus and Herod (later known as the
> Great). We all know what happened after that.
>
>
> En Xristwi,
>
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Harold Holmyard" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
> To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
>
>
> > Dear Shoshanna,
> >
> > >NONE of these verses refer to any "anti-christ" - which is a foreign
> > >concept after all, if this were a Christian book, the rabbis would
> > >not have included it in our Tanach.
> > >
> > >
> > >Verse 22 refers to the covenant that the Jews made with the Romans -
> > >ie; they will also be crushed by them - this does not refer to
> > >Mashiach.
> > >
> > >Verse 21 refers to the Roman Empire, not to an "anti- christ"
> > >("contemptible one" = Roman empire)
> > >
> > >Verse 20:  The Hashmonean Dynasty will succeed Antiochus in
> > >Jerusalem, but it will eventually fall as a result of a battle of
> > >succession between the two brothers, Aristobulos and Hyrcanus.
> > >
> > >Verse 23:  By signing a "holy covenant" of friendship (see verses 28,
> > >30) with the Hashmoneans, Rome will be able to conquer the countries
> > >surrounding the Land of Israel without fear of Hashmonean
> > >Intervention.
> > >
> > >
> > >PLEASE don't put foreign doctrine into our scripture, where it does not
> exist.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > HH: You may not realize this, but Christ is the English form of the
> > Greek word Cristos, which means "anointed one" and is the Greek
> > equivalent of Messiah (meshiach). The antichrist is the one is who is
> > against Christ, or who imitates Christ as a pretender.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Harold Holmyard
> >
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