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A textbook of mine agrees with Milgrom.  It's called "Readings in Biblical 
Hebrew an Intermediate Textbook" by Ehud Ben Zvi, Maxine Hancock, & Richard 
Beinert says regarding this passage:

"The issue, therefore, is not if they come to know that they were doing 
wrong, but rather if they feel remorse for doing wrong. (Milgrom, Leviticus 
1-16, 334, 38,39-45).

The condition of feeling remorse for one's guilt is the regular conclusion of 
the protasis in Lev 4:13,22,27;   5:2,3,4,5,17,23.  These priestly text claim 
that there is no possible ritual expiation for a sinner unless he or she 
feels remorse.  In otherwords, sacrifices are not seen as a mechanical gate 
to purification, on the contrary, the right attitude of the 
heart-repentance-is essential for the efficacy of the ritual.

Moreover, the sacrifice is only the last of a series of actions a person 
should take upon feeling guilty.  One assumption on which a text such as Lev 
5:20-26 rests is that a person cannot expect expiation and forgiveness while 
retaining the fruits of misbehavior.  Thus, the first action to be taken are 
those concerned with restitution and the rectification of the wrong.  The 
description of these actions opens the apodosis of our text immediately 
following ve`ashem.

Not sure if I buy it but it does have merit.

--
Kelton Graham 
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net

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From: "K Randolph" <kwrandolph AT gmail.com> 

> Bill: 
> 
> Looking at the uses of )$M, it refers to the status of being guilty. 
> Of course, if a person's moral compass is healthy, he should also feel 
> guilty, but it is the status, not the feeling, that counts. 
> 
> Karl W. Randolph. 
> 
> On 8/23/06, Bill Rea wrote: 
> > Hello B-Hebrewers, 
> > 
> > I was reading Milgrom's Anchor Commentary on Leviticus and 
> > he makes an usual translation of we`ashem in Lev 5:23 which is 
> > Lev 6:4 in most English translation. The common understanding 
> > is like the KJV:- 
> > 
> > Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, ... 
> > 
> > Milgrom translates this as feeling guilty and makes extensive 
> > comments on this on page 372 where he draws on Jewish commentators, 
> > exegetes, and rabbis going back to Philo. It appears that 
> > his translation is well supported by Jewish tradition but it 
> > is not the one used in most commonly used. I checked KJV, NASB, 
> > and NRSV and they use something similar. 
> > 
> > Would anyone care to comment on the validity of ``feeling 
> > guilty'' as a legimate understanding of the use of this word 
> > in this context. 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > Bill Rea, University of Canterbury Supercomputer \_ 
> > E-Mail bill.rea AT canterbury.ac.nz > > Phone 64-3-364-2331, Fax 
> > 64-3-364-2332 /) Zealand 
> > UCSC Supercomputer Systems Administrator (/' 
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I need your help.  Is there anyone there who can translate  this for me?  A 
girl I know has been speaking in Hebrew and she doesn't  even know Hebrew and 
she's been trying to kill herself.  She said something  in her head said to 
type this exactly -
 
yetzer hara Lauren shabuim
soren holst sh at  teol ku dk
barach atah adonai elohcina melech el  shaddai
 
Can you please  help.  She is writing on her mirrors in lipstick things in 
Hebrew and on  the floor and dresser.  We do not know what is going on!  All 
I 
could  do was type the words in as search queries to try and find out what 
they 
 mean.  Her name is Lauren.  Please help  us.
 
Thank you so  much.  No, this is not a joke at all.  We are desperate to help 
this  girl.  I was pretty shocked that the second line led me to this email  
address!
 
Sincerely,
Kasia  Coe