Biblical Hebrew Forum

["JAMES CHRISTIAN READ" <JCR128 AT student.apu.ac.uk>]

JCR: Thanks Peter. I realised I had made a booboo just 
after posting. Shem would have been able to witness 
the events and therefore Karl's theory of authorship 
would hold water in this case.

However, let's take a look at Genesis 25 verses 12 and 
19

In verse 12 we have the signature

ואלה תלדת ישמעאל

In verse 19 we have the signature

ואלה תולדת יצחק

After the signature in verse 12 we have a description 
of Ishmael's descendents.
After the signature in verse 19 we have a description 
of Isaac's descendents.

This is far too great a coincidence to ignore and would 
seem to put Karl's theory of end signatures in serious 
question.

James C. Read
UK

















-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Kirk <peter AT qaya.org>
To: JAMES CHRISTIAN READ <JCR128 AT student.apu.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:06:58 +0100
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew]  Genesis 2:4

On 13/07/2006 03:24, JAMES CHRISTIAN READ wrote:
> ...
> I believe it would be impossible to claim that Shem 
> was the author of the Babel account as he only lived 
> 100 years and would not have witnessed the events. 
> Now I could accept it if the account were posed in 
> prophetic style but it isn't.
>
>   
James, you seem confused here. According to Genesis 11:10-11 Shem lived 
for 502 years after the flood. In fact the numbers in Genesis taken at 
face value have him dying later than Abraham, in fact 2160 years after 
the Creation, 210 years after the birth of Abraham, and two years after 
Jacob married Leah and Rachel. Of the ancestors of Abraham, only Eber 
survived after Shem died, for another 29 years, according to Genesis. 
But these calculations are based on rather naive counting of years and 
may have to be revised by up to a decade or two. Of course we will have 
different positions on how seriously to take any of these figures.

-- 
Peter Kirk
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