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- From: "JAMES CHRISTIAN READ" <JCR128 AT student.apu.ac.uk>
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- Subject: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1
- Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:11:03 +0100
Yitzhak wrote:
What is a "concept with a proper name"?
END QUOTE
I know I can sometimes not be very good at not explaining
myself but I really am finding it difficult to understand
which part I haven't explained properly. Allow me to try
and explain myself with some examples.
e.g. Heaven, Hell, Paradise. These three concepts have
become so singular in there usage that we use them in
English as proper nouns without a definite article.
In the same way it is quite possible that the 'deep'
referred to in the hebrew passage was a concept to the
hebrews so singular in its usage that it was used as a
proper noun. We elevate nouns to the status of proper
nouns when there is only one of them. For example,
London. We use the word London as a proper noun because
in the UK (as far as I know) there is only one London
and so phrases such as 'a London' simply don't make
sense. However, this does not constitute evidence in
any way that I am referring to a foreign god of the
same name.
Imagine if an scientist wrote a report about the planet
Jupiter and someone 3,500 years later said that this
scientist was copying from an ancient Roman myth and
his reference to Jupiter was a reference to the Roman
god of the same name. There is only one Jupiter in our
solar system and Jupiter is the accepted way in the
English language of referring to this planet.
Is it not also possible that the hebrew passage is just
using the correct proper name for the singular concept
of tehom with no intention whatsoever of talking about
a foreign god? Because it would certainly seem so when
you read the rest of the account for many reasons:
a) Tehom is not personified in any way
b) Tehom is not killed by elohim in the account
c) There is no further reference to Tehom whatsoever
d) The very phrase in which Tehom appears is otherwise
a description of the lifeless and unformed state of the
heavens and the earth after elohim's initial act of
creation
e) The creation account in question just happens to be
part of a wider body of literature which claims that
all other gods are merely lifeless idols
All things considered, it would seem that if there is
any connection between the two accounts it could only
be that Babylonian culture chose to name one of its
ancient gods after the physical entity it represented
and nothing more. The fact that their Enuma Elish
portrays Tiamat as being divided in half to form the
waters above and below could well be an embellishment
of a common tradition of creation passed down through
the generations including Noah (Babylon's Gilgamesh).Tehom is not killed by
elohim in the account
c) There is no further reference to Tehom whatsoever
d) The very
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Peter Kirk, 07/08/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, dwashbur, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Bryant J. Williams III, 07/10/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, dwashbur, 07/09/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
- [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/10/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, dwashbur, 07/10/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/10/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/10/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, K Randolph, 07/10/2006
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