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- From: dwashbur AT nyx.net
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1
- Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:52:55 -0700
On 9 Jul 2006 at 15:56, Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
> On 7/8/06, JAMES CHRISTIAN READ wrote:
> > Yitzhak wrote:
> > It is therefore significant that
> > the word tehom is used as a proper name in the right place (before
> > division of the seas).
> > END QUOTE
> >
> > JCR: I think this is an overstatement that may well be
> > quite a lot less significant than to imply a direct
> > relation with the tiamat myth. There is nothing in
> > the context whatsoever which personifies tehom and the
> > sense is very much of a thing rather than a being.
> >
> > The very phrase ' The earth was formless and void, and
> > darkness was over the surface of the deep' seems, in
> > my mind, to recall only thoughts of lifeless matter
> > that are yet to be prepared for the arrival of life.
>
> The thing that you seem to be overlooking is that your
> translation adds a "the" that is not present in the Hebrew
> text. This would be equivalent to you writing in English,
> "The earth was formless and void and darkness was over
> the surface of Deep." Or "Abyss," or "Ocean." It is used
> as a proper name. The use of this specific word, as a
> proper name like this, at this place of the Creation story,
> just appears to be too coincidental.
So anywhere that a noun doesn't have the article, it must be used as a proper
name? In
that case, maybe we'd better start translating 1:1 "When the god Reshit
created the
heavens and the earth." T:HOWM is no more a proper name here than XO$EK is.
English
structure calls for inclusion of the article. Hebrew did not. Let's not
read more into the
difference than is actually there.
Dave Washburn
Encephaloriasis: That condition generated when the person you are dealing
with is so
incredibly stupid, you can actually feel your own brain cells drying up and
flaking off.
-
[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Shoshanna Walker, 07/07/2006
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/07/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Rolf Furuli, 07/08/2006
- [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/07/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/08/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Peter Kirk, 07/08/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, dwashbur, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Bryant J. Williams III, 07/10/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, dwashbur, 07/09/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2006
- [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
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[b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
JAMES CHRISTIAN READ, 07/09/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/10/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1, dwashbur, 07/10/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] bara vs' bero in Genesis 1:1,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/10/2006
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