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  • From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Divine Embodiment - Peter Kirk
  • Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:45:36 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
>
> Dear Kevin,
>
> >> HH: Have you checked 1 Kings 6:23-28? There is no
> >> description of a throne 10 cubits by 10 cubits.
> >> The 10 cubits describes an image of a cherub and
> >> its wing span.
> >
> > Right, which tells us everything we need to know about the
> > throne. You do realize, of course, that the cherubim were
> > understood as part of the throne, having one on each end?
>
> HH: There is no mention of a throne in the
> passage. They are self-standing cherubim that
> span the width of the room in which they stand.
>
> > "Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other
> > end...There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat,
> > from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the
> > testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in
> > commandment for the sons of Israel." (Ex 25:19,22)
>
> HH: But this passage is talking about the
> cherubim for the mercyseat in the tabernacle. The
> dimensions of the mercyseat of the tabernacle
> were small, as Peter has already said.
>
> > "The LORD Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim."(I Samuel 4:4)
> >
> > There are more if you need them.
>
> HH: But there is no giant throne anywhere. There
> are two large self-standing cherubim in the
> temple. The cherubim for the tabernacle were
> small according to all models I have seen. And
> Solomon evidently put the ancient ark into the
> temple:
>
> 1Kings 6:19 ¶ He prepared the inner sanctuary
> within the temple to set the ark of the covenant
> of the LORD there.
>
> HH: So all you are talking about is two large
> decorative cherubim that point to the throne of
> God in heaven.
>
> HH: There are passages about the Lord being enthroned in Zion:
>
> Psa. 9:11 Sing praises to the LORD, enthroned in
> Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done.
>
> HH: But it is understood that the temple is
> symbolic of heaven. The physical dimensions of
> the cherubim and ark do not have any automatic
> signification.
>
> HH: It is interesting, however, that Isaiah in
> his vision sees the train of the Lord's robe
> filling the temple.
>
> Is. 6:1 ¶ In the year that King Uzziah died, I
> saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and
> exalted, and the train of his robe filled the
> temple.
>
> HH; Since the Lord fills heaven and earth, one
> would expect that a vision of Him would be
> imposing.
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard

Harold:

To add to your list:

The "mercy seat" on the tabernacle was so
significant that it was not even mentioned
in the first description of the tabernacle,
that in Exodus 25. There was a golden cover
that was overshadowed by the wings of the
cherubs, so there was no room on it for a
fancy throne.

Secondly, when Solomon dedicated the temple
in Jerusalem, the glory of the Lord so
filled the whole building that the priests
could not enter, yet Solomon in his prayer
indicated that the temple was too puny to
act as a house for the Lord, as the whole
world was insufficient for that purpose.
1 Kings 8.

Karl W. Randolph.


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