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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Author of the torah
- Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:01:08 +0100
On 29/07/2005 19:28, Read, James C wrote:
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There are three places where Moses is said to have written something- Ex 24:4, Dt 31:9, 31:22. An even not so careful reading will show that the reference to Moses writing refers only to the present pericope.
end quote.
Have you read Deouteronomy 31:9 closely?
What did he write?
The law???
How do you say 'law' in hebrew?
Isn't it something like 'torah'?
And the name of the book attributed to Moshe?
The torah???
My! What an amazing coincidence!!!
Surely not, James. See also 31:24, which Jim just happens to have forgotten, which states that Moses wrote down this law, hattora hazzo't, `ad tummam which means something like "completely". In other words, this verse seems to be an explicit claim that Moses wrote down the whole of the Torah.
But then what was meant by the Torah? Not necessarily all of the five books now known as such. But 31:9,24 must be a claim at least that Moses wrote down the complete contents of what he had just spoken, also referred to as "this law", hattora hazzo't, in 1:5. And this happens to be the major part of the book of Deuteronomy, from 1:6 to 30:20 - except for 27:1a,9a,11 and 29:1,2, which are the only parts of this which are not presented as the words of Moses. Additionally, large parts of chapters 31-33 are presented as Moses' words, and in 31:22 it is stated that he wrote down his song which is 32:1-43. So, we have about 95% of the book presented as Moses' words and 85% explicitly stated as written down by him. And I think even the most conservative interpreters accept that at least part of the remaining 5%, especially chapter 34, was not in fact written by Moses.
Of course some might want to dispute whether the internal claims of the book are reliable. But it is necessary to recognise first that these claims are being made.
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Re: [b-hebrew] Author of the torah,
Jim West, 07/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Author of the torah,
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Read, James C, 07/29/2005
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