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- From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation
- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:53:22 -0500
Peter:
As I wrote before, I know of an inscription written in
proto-Sinaitic script that has seven words, among which one
has a waw indicating third person singular possessive (if
I'm not mistaken, is that not a mater lectionis?) and one
has a yod in the second person singular perfect to replace
a hey. From this example, I suspect that the use of matres
lectionis well predates the Phoenician use of the alphabet.
Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
>
> On 25/07/2005 03:32, Karl Randolph wrote:
>
> > Peter:
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, what time frame do you determine for the
> > invention of matres lectionis?
> >
> >
>
> I don't know, Karl. Do you? Obviously no later than the late ninth
> century because it is attested at that time. And there is very
> little written Hebrew earlier than that. There is older Phoenician,
> which apparently did not use matres lectionis at all. And there are
> no he matres lectionis in the Gezer calendar, which is Hebrew from
> the late tenth century, although there are final vavs which may
> well indicate long "u" sounds (in the repeated word YRXW which is
> understood as meaning "two months", a construct dual) - but this
> rather short work just may not include any words ending with a
> vowel other than "u". This suggests, but by no means proves, that
> use of final he as a mater lectionis was a ninth century innovation.
>
...
>
> > Do you include where the final he in a verb is changed to a yod
> > as an example of matres lectionis?
> >
> >
>
> Well, that depends on the pronunciation of the yod. If it marks a
> long "i" vowel, as for example in the 1st and 2nd person singular
> "perfect" forms of the qal of "lamed-he" verbs, it is a mater
> lectionis. But if it is a consonant, as in the qal passive
> participle, then it is not a mater lectionis.
>
> -- Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation
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- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 07/26/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Rolf Furuli, 07/26/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Vadim Cherny, 07/26/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Shoshanna Walker, 07/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Rolf Furuli, 07/24/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Bearpecs, 07/24/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Rolf Furuli, 07/24/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Read, James C, 07/24/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Karl Randolph, 07/24/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 07/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Karl Randolph, 07/25/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Yigal Levin, 07/26/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH Pronunciation,
Bearpecs, 07/26/2005
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[b-hebrew] YHWH Pronunciation,
Schmuel, 07/27/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Jacob ben Hayyim -was YHWH Pronunciation, Jim West, 07/27/2005
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[b-hebrew] YHWH Pronunciation,
Schmuel, 07/27/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Karl Randolph, 07/26/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Harold R. Holmyard III, 07/26/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Karl Randolph, 07/26/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation,
Read, James C, 07/27/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation, Stephen Segall, 07/28/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation, Jack Kilmon, 07/31/2005
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