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Then we are in agreement.  Ameleq in the time of Moses 
committed a religious sin.  Ameleq in the time of Saul paid 
the price for that sin, albeit 200 or more years later.



> From: "Vadim Cherny" <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
> Date: 2005/04/25 Mon AM 11:07:24 GMT
> To: <tladatsi AT charter.net>
> CC: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: 1 Samuel 15 & Punishment
> 
> Amalek committed a religious sin of opposing the divine 
will.
> I'd also suggest that nations are considered as a whole 
and immutable.
> Indeed, this is how modern societies operate, as well: 
nations suffer wars
> because of transgressions of a few, and past grievances 
come out.
> The logic of fathers and sons is inapplicable to nations. 
Perhaps, it is
> only applied to neighbors, as many other commandments. In 
other words,
> individual responsibility works inside Israelite society, 
but not in outside
> relations.
> 
> Vadim Cherny
> 
> 
> > Here is the text I read in both Engish (NAS) and 
Hebrew:
> >
> > Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for 
what
> > he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the 
way
> > while he was coming up from Egypt.
> >
> >  e&-r$) le) r&yl qelm( h&( -r$) te) yTdqP tw)bc hwhy 
rm)hK
> >  .eyrcMm wtl(B jrDB  wl
> >
> > The idea of wiping out Amelek did not come from Saul 
but
> > from Yahweh through Samuel to Saul.  The idea was that
> > instead of just attacking Amelek as any other enemy, 
i.e.
> > fighting the solders and leaving the non-combatants 
alone,
> > everyone and everything would be attacked and 
destroyed.
> > The justification for depatrue from normal practice was 
the
> > sin Amelek had committed two hundred years earlier of
> > attacking Isreal as they left Egypt.
> >
> > I certainly don't mean to offend but the text seems 
quite
> > straight forward and unambiguous.
> >
> > Jack Tladatsi
> >
> 
> 

Jack Tladatsi