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  • From: "Vadim Cherny" <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
  • To: <tladatsi AT charter.net>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [b-hebrew] Re: Re: 1 Samuel 15 & Punishment
  • Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:30:10 +0300

I assume you would not argue about the affirmative action rectifying the
sins two hundred years old - even almost four hundred years old, if we count
from the first shipment of slaves. Why should not Israelities rectify the
past sins against them?

Vadim Cherny



> Then we are in agreement. Ameleq in the time of Moses
> committed a religious sin. Ameleq in the time of Saul paid
> the price for that sin, albeit 200 or more years later.
>
> > Amalek committed a religious sin of opposing the divine
> will.
> > I'd also suggest that nations are considered as a whole
> and immutable.
> > Indeed, this is how modern societies operate, as well:
> nations suffer wars
> > because of transgressions of a few, and past grievances
> come out.
> > The logic of fathers and sons is inapplicable to nations.
> Perhaps, it is
> > only applied to neighbors, as many other commandments. In
> other words,
> > individual responsibility works inside Israelite society,
> but not in outside
> > relations.
> >
> > Vadim Cherny
> >
> >
> > > Here is the text I read in both Engish (NAS) and
> Hebrew:
> > >
> > > Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for
> what
> > > he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the
> way
> > > while he was coming up from Egypt.
> > >
> > > e&-r$) le) r&yl qelm( h&( -r$) te) yTdqP tw)bc hwhy
> rm)hK
> > > .eyrcMm wtl(B jrDB wl
> > >
> > > The idea of wiping out Amelek did not come from Saul
> but
> > > from Yahweh through Samuel to Saul. The idea was that
> > > instead of just attacking Amelek as any other enemy,
> i.e.
> > > fighting the solders and leaving the non-combatants
> alone,
> > > everyone and everything would be attacked and
> destroyed.
> > > The justification for depatrue from normal practice was
> the
> > > sin Amelek had committed two hundred years earlier of
> > > attacking Isreal as they left Egypt.
> > >
> > > I certainly don't mean to offend but the text seems
> quite
> > > straight forward and unambiguous.
> > >
> > > Jack Tladatsi
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Jack Tladatsi
>
>





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