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  • From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>
  • To: peterkirk AT qaya.org
  • Cc: VadimCherny AT mail.ru, tladatsi AT charter.net, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] children bear punishment for sins of parents - Examples
  • Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:25:41 -0400

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:00:45 +0100 Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
writes:
> On 22/04/2005 14:30, George F Somsel wrote:
>
> > ...
> >
> >>In 2Sam21, David did not recognize that Gibeonites have a right to
>
> >>punish
> >>Saul's children. Indeed, Gibeonites were not bound by Hebrew
> >>commandments.
> >>David rather recognized the merits of their vengeance. Saul, of
> >>course,
> >>committed idolatry by sparing the animals for sacrifice, thus
> >>imagining that
> >>sacrifices, the material, are more important than obedience.
> >>
> >>Vadim Cherny
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Vadim,
> >
> >I think you misinterpret the passage. It begins
> >
> >WaY:HiY Rf(fB B.iYM"Y DfWiD . . . WaY:BaQ."$ D.fWiD )eT_P.:N"Y
> YHWH
> >
> >and concludes
> >
> >W:H"M.f HuM:TW. B.iYM"Y QfCiYR B.fRi)$ONiYM T:XiL.aT Q:CiYR
> #:(oRiYM
> >
> >This would serve to connect it to the judgment of God as well as
> David's
> >recognition.
> >
> >
> >
> God told David that he had to do something about the situation. But
> that
> doesn't mean that what David did was correct or that he was carrying
> out
> God's judgment. For God didn't tell him to kill anyone. As the
> Gibeonites recognised (v.4), they had no right to demand the death
> of
> anyone, but David nevertheless responded to their request. And the
> Gibeonites had already suggested silver or gold as an alternative.
> Why
> didn't David pay them off in that way? Well, we can't understand the
>
> politics in detail, but it seems to me that David was at that time
> acting unrighteously, and using this as an excuse to get rid of his
>
> potential enemies. And there are rulers today, even in democratic
> countries, who conveniently hand over to less scrupulous foreigners
>
> their potential enemies, such as terrorist "suspects" against whom
> there
> is no evidence.
>
> --
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> .qaya.org/
________________________

I tend to think that you're trying to sanitize the account from a modern
Christian perspective. It would appear from the return to the them of
famine/plenty in the resolution of the famine through the harvest this
puts God's imprimitur upon it.

george
gfsomsel
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