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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] "their altars" or "his/its altars"?
  • Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:05 +0000

@Mike:


Hey Deb, I think your Hebrew translation is pretty good, the only reason why
someone might translate this as possesive plural is because of the LXX
translation.

TOUS BWMOUS AUTWN...

TAS STHLAS AUTWN...

TA ALSH AUTWN....

KAI TA GLUPTA TWN QEWN AUTWN And the carved images of their gods...

So I think that is how one gets a possessive plural there. Futhermore, in my
BHS it has down in the apparatous that some codices has this as plural as
well.

--
Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net

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Just one thing it sounds like you may not be aware of;

Asherah was Yahweh's wife. She was also Ba'al's wife. It was a quite
syncretistic religion. In places where one god won out over the other in
the great culture war, he absorbed the myth, cult and hymns of the other.
Alot of the time, Ba;al and Yahweh were worshipped virtually as one. Hence
you see things like 9th to 8th century grafitti in a southern shrine;
"blessings on Yahweh and Ba'al and their Asherah".
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra AT austin.rr.com
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From: "Deborah Millier" <deborahmillier AT yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:36 PM
Subject: [b-hebrew] "their altars" or "his/its altars"?


> Dear B-Hebrew List Members,
>
> KiY )eT-MiZB:XoTaM TiToCW.N W)eT-MfC"BoTaM
> T:SfB"RW.N W)eT-):aS"RaYW TiK:RoTw.N
>
> (Please note what I highlight in *astericks* in my
> translation:)
>
> "For their altars you [all] shall tear down, and their
> standing stones you [all] shall shatter, and *his/its*
> Asherahs you [all] shall cut [down]" (Exo. 34:13).
>
> Now, of the very few English versions I checked, they
> all rendered ):aS"RaYW as "*their*
> Asherahs"-implying of course that the Asherahs
> belonged to or were in some relationship to the listed
> idolatrous inhabitants of the land (34:12). But, if
> I'm not mistaken, it would be better translated "his
> Asherahs" or "its Asherahs," right? Even if I'm
> reading the syntax correctly, I still can't find in
> the immediate context to whom or what these Asherahs
> might have been related or belonged, the other nouns
> in the verse being feminine and plural. My questions
> then are:
>
> 1) Is there any good reason to read ):aS"RaYW here
> as a plural possessive?
>
> 2) If not, then to whom or what might these Asherahs
> belong or be related?
>
> 3) Any suggestions/corrections on how to better read
> the raw data?
>
> --Michael Millier
> Manila, Philippines
>
>
>
>
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