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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
- Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:20 question
- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:42:54 +0000
On 17/02/2005 11:53, Yigal Levin wrote:
Martin is probably right, which makes my last post, while correct,
irrelevant. Here's what Japhet, in her OTL commentary (p. 512) has to say:
"After pronouncing the blessing, the people bowed low and prostated
themselves before both 'the Lord and the king'. Such a close conjunction of
God and king in an act of worship (avoided in the RSV by the addition of a
second verb) is not found elsewhere in the Bible, although the divine and
eathly rulers are mentioned together in several contexts (Prov. 24.21, 'Fear
the Lord and the king'; 1 Kings 21.10, 13, etc.). ...
This may be true, this may be the only place in the Bible where hishtaxawe is used with both a king and YHWH as indirect object of the one verb. But this is a verb which is used rather commonly, and usually with L-, both for prostration before a monarch or other superior and for worship of YHWH and other gods. And the meaning is basically bodily prostration, symbolising submission but not necessarily religious worship. Mordecai's refusal in Esther 3:2 was not so much a religious matter as a refusal to accept the secular authority of Haman.
So it is not semantically odd to find it with the double object here. It may be pragmatically odd because bowing down to kings and worship of God normally took place separately, in different places. Perhaps the author of 1 Chronicles realised that before the temple was built there would not have been separate places.
By the way, not all English translations make any adjustments or additions to get round this issue. Indeed I can't find any that do, except for RSV mentioned by Japhet. KJV, NRSV, TEV, NIV and TNIV do not. Even the JPS Tanakh does not: "they bowed their heads low to the LORD and the king." So, Yigal, please can you clarify your
Yes, all of the English translations that I've seen follow the Vulgate and
avoid the issue.
Do you mean that all the translations you have seen do what RSV does? If so, your reading is not very wide.
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[b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
kgraham0938, 02/16/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question, Trevor Peterson, 02/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Karl Randolph, 02/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Yigal Levin, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Martin Shields, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Yigal Levin, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:20 question,
Peter Kirk, 02/17/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:20 question, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:20 question,
Peter Kirk, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Yigal Levin, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:20 question,
Maurice A. O'Sullivan, 02/17/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:20 question, Yigal Levin, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Martin Shields, 02/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chron 29:30 question,
Yigal Levin, 02/17/2005
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