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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:24:46 +0100
On 22/10/2004 22:10, Harold R. Holmyard III wrote:
Dear Peter,
Take a look at:Well, I think I would consider this a figure of speech. This is a well-formed sentence "... into the hand which hates you, into the hand which your NEPE$ was estranged(?) from (them)." But here the hand is a metonymy or synecdoche for the person who owns the hand. But there is no placeholder here.
Ezek. 23:28 ky kh )mr )dny yhwh hnny ntnK byd )$r &n)t byd )$r-nq(h np$K mhM
Note the "from them" which is the resumptive pronoun I was referring to.
HH: The verb "hate" is in the second person singular. "You" is the subject, not the object. ...
Sorry, my mistake.
... The )$R in both clauses is probably substituting for the people. That's what I'm used to seeing. Fairly literally it is : "For thus says the Lord God, 'See, I am giving you into the hand of those you hate, into the hand of those from whom your soul is alienated.'"Well, fairly literally, but more literally "For thus says the Lord God, 'See, I am giving you into the hand which you hate, into the hand from which your NEPE$ is alienated.'" Your "of those" is an interpretative addition, although the plural MHM, which doesn't go with the singular hand, suggests the plurality. (And as you see, I don't like to gloss NEPE$ as "soul".)
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Peter Kirk
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Peter Kirk, 10/21/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/21/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/21/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/21/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Peter Kirk, 10/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Peter Kirk, 10/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Peter Kirk, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Peter Kirk, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Peter Kirk, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Peter Kirk, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/24/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent, Peter Kirk, 10/24/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Peter Kirk, 10/23/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
Peter Kirk, 10/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Placeholders: )$R w/o antecedent,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/21/2004
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