Biblical Hebrew Forum

["George F. Somsel" <gfsomsel AT juno.com>]

And when Chaucer wrote

Whan that Aprille, with hise shoures soote,
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour . . . 


he must have been speaking of the blood supply and alcohol?

gfsomsel
__________

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:39:22 +0300 "VC" <vadim_lv AT center-tv.net> writes:
> Yes, by default we take today's meanings as indicative of the ancient 
> ones -
> unless we can establish that there was a difference. But not to 
> invoke that
> differencee without any proof when it suits  our argument.\
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Vadim Cherny
> 
> > So the translator of Nieszche's "The Gay Science" was speaking of
> > homosexuality?  If we are to take today's meanings as being 
> normative for
> > previous writings, this must be the case.
> >
> > gfsomsel
> > _________
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:45:35 +0300 "VC" <vadim_lv AT center-tv.net> 
> writes:
> > > I'm referring to the dictionaries of living Hebrew, like Shapiro 
> or
> > > Steinberg, not a Tanakhic dictionary with speculative
> > > interpretations
> > > instead of the established meanings.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Vadim Cherny
> > >
> > > > >>>The translation of "coastland" is perfectly reasonable.
> > > However, can we
> > > > >>>disregard the established meaning of the word and attach it 
> the
> > > sense,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >which
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>>we think suits it better? This approach can lead as far 
> away.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>HH: "Coastland" is a well-established meaning for the word.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Not in the conventional Hebrew dictionaries
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I'm not sure what dictionaries you consider "conventional", 
> but
> > > one of
> > > > the best respected in English for nearly 100 years has been
> > > > Brown-Driver-Briggs, and its gloss is "coast, region". If 
> that's
> > > too
> > > > modern for you, try Strong: "dry land, a coast, an island"; 
> or
> > > Davidson:
> > > > "habitable earth or land, coast, sea-coast, island".
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Peter Kirk
> > > > peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> > > > peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> > > > http://www.qaya.org/
> > > >
> > > >
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From: Lee Roy Martin <lmartin AT vol.com>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The islands
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:16:55 -0400
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Dear Yigal,
It means "island" in Old South Arabic and in Egyptian. Cf. HALOT, and 
Gardiner _Egyptian_ p. 487.
Lee R. Martin




On Jun 9, 2004, at 3:17 PM, Yigal Levin wrote:

> Dear Vadim,
>
> While I really have not decided whether )Iy primarily means "island" or
> "coastland", using a "dictionary of living Hebrew" is problematic. 
> There is
> no doubt that in both Mishnaic and modern Hebrew, )Iy means "island".
> However, this alone is no proof that that's what it meant in biblical
> Hebrew.
>
> By the way, does anyone have a guess about the word's etymology? Does 
> it
> appear in other Semitic languages?
>
> Yigal
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VC" <vadim_lv AT center-tv.net>
> To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The islands
>
>
>> I'm referring to the dictionaries of living Hebrew, like Shapiro or
>> Steinberg, not a Tanakhic dictionary with speculative interpretations
>> instead of the established meanings.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Vadim Cherny
>>
>>>>>> The translation of "coastland" is perfectly reasonable. However, 
>>>>>> can
> we
>>>>>> disregard the established meaning of the word and attach it the
> sense,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> which
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> we think suits it better? This approach can lead as far away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> HH: "Coastland" is a well-established meaning for the word.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not in the conventional Hebrew dictionaries
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm not sure what dictionaries you consider "conventional", but one 
>>> of
>>> the best respected in English for nearly 100 years has been
>>> Brown-Driver-Briggs, and its gloss is "coast, region". If that's too
>>> modern for you, try Strong: "dry land, a coast, an island"; or 
>>> Davidson:
>>> "habitable earth or land, coast, sea-coast, island".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Kirk
>>> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
>>> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
>>> http://www.qaya.org/
>>>
>>>
>>
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